Another one bites the dust

A few years ago there were 2 really big adult torrent sites.  Empornium and PureTNA.  Once DMCA companies such as mine and others started hammering these sites with DMCAs, combined with lawyers threatening to shut them down, these 2 sites eventually folded.

The #3 adult torrent site at the time was Cheggit.net and nearly all the old users from Emp and PTNA migrated there to upload and download copyrighted content.

At first the site tried hiding in numerous offshore countries where they would not have to comply with DMCAs but eventually they tried to become DMCA compliant by hiring DMCANotice.com to handle DMCAs.  Once word got around that Cheggit was complying, myself and at least one other removal company began monitoring the site daily resulting in 100s if not 1000s of torrents were being reported every day.  The site complied with these notices quickly and without incident.  This immediately resulted in panic on the forum as users pleaded with the site to move offshore again and to stop removing torrents.  If you’ve seen my “Talk Like A Pirate” screenshots on Facebook, nearly all of them came from this site.  Myself and the other removal company were literally removing content within minutes of it being posted.

Eventually the site went into a maintenance mode, which they had remained in for nearly all of the past week.  Eventually it was revealed today that the site was going dark and shutting down.  The owner (who had been identified as a New Mexico or Oklahoma resident), was vague as to the exact reasoning but mentioned that starting in December 11 (when we started monitoring) it became too difficult to keep the site compliant.  I’m sure there was legal pressure as well and I know my company wasn’t the only one involved in takedowns so a big kudos to everyone else involved.  I know both myself and Eric from RemoveYourContent were on this daily.  I can’t stress this enough how much effort both Eric and myself put into this from our end.  I’m sure more will come out in the coming weeks and we’ll learn about others who were involved in taking this site down, in addition to the general climate post-Megaupload where copyright infringers are learning there are repercussions for violating the rights of others.

No doubt the freeloaders will migrate somewhere else and try and reestablish their den of thieves.  But we will be there waiting.

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515 Responses to Another one bites the dust

  1. DMack says:

    Nice! The owner is actually from Missouri not Mew Mexico as the DomainTools.com whois records for Cheggit.net have faked info but that doesn’t much matter now and that is a good thing.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Expect us.

    • Nate Glass says:

      You mean I should expect your censorship trolls and their ddos thugs? Ok.

      • Anonymous says:

        I want to ask you a simple question. Do you believe in what you are doing? Thousands of people get to download music everyday. Whether illegal or not: These people live their life and enjoy good music and films while actors and musicians can get very rich.

        But some people want more… Some people set their personal wealth over the needs of our modern society. Even if they already possess enough money to live 5 lifes without working a single second.

        We are not fighting the artists. I for one visit a lot of local performances and i gladly pay my entry fees.
        We are fighting the assholes that exploit our culture and our cultural needs. We are not stealing… We are sharing…

        Still… since you work for these assholes… Expect us.

        • Nate Glass says:

          Expect you for what? Dinner? Should I set out a place setting for you?

          • Anonymous says:

            Sure please, set a place for me, for all of us, we love to dine with you and show you how sharing allows the world to be better, after all aren’t we sharing a meal?

            just post a date and place, we will be there.

          • Nate Glass says:

            Ok, but I’m going to need you to pay for everything. Also bring over the details of your checking and/or Paypal account because I’ve decided I want to you to share your money with me.

          • anotherguy says:

            Sure! I’m game…

            of course you’ll be sharing ‘your’ money with me too though.

            Sound good?

          • Nate Glass says:

            Sorry, I’m only leeching at this time, I’m not seeding.

          • This Nate Guy Acts Like A Child says:

            Just reading through the comments, Nate, you are acting like a troll, someone asks you a legit question and you don’t have an answer so you resort to acting like a childish troll.

            Just pointing out my observations.

            Why don’t you answer legitimate questions instead of acting like a child?

            I don’t know why I’m even asking you this, I’ll probably just get a childish reply, which I guess wouldn’t be too bad, it’s your name and reputation. If you want to be known as a troll, that’s totally fine with me.

          • Brooke Hogan says:

            For me to take you seriously, you’ll have to answer the questions of the people you’re trying to convince.

          • Anonymous2 says:

            If you really watch websites for copyrighted content everyday you have no fucking life.

      • sneetch says:

        Do I get a reward for turning in infringing websites to you?

      • Blindstair says:

        I want to thank for you doing something good. Instead of putting all your concentration into something useful like abortion rights, stem cell research, or finding ways to get murderers and rapists off the streets you do something to keep money in already rich peoples pockets. The military community and my deployed brethren thank you for taking away one of the very few things to keep us entertained with getting shot at and blown up. You sir’s are the true patriots of this country.

        • MoneyMoneyMoney says:

          Because you really think that he’s doing it just for the sport?

          He’s being paid by these companies, no one would do such a job without any benefit, and don’t worry that these multinational corporations know how to repay this type of scums.

      • Alan Smithee says:

        What are you, then? A DMCA thug?

  3. lol says:

    So, when a site actually tries to comply with the law, you start “carpet bombing” them.

    Wow, you are one shitty white knight.

    • Nate Glass says:

      A site that ignored copyright claims for years? Yes.

      If this site wasn’t having 100s of infringing files uploaded every single day there would be no need for carpet bombing now would there?

      • This Nate Guy Acts Like A Child says:

        Glad you are in such support of pornographers. Your name will forever be associated with pornography. I’m sure your parents are proud.

      • MoneyMoneyMoney says:

        Such a good samaritan, except that you’re being paid for this, you wouldn’t do it otherwise.

        So you’re basically their bitch, you’re getting paid to do their dirty work.

  4. Blackbeard says:

    Just because there were all those videos of your mom getting butt-rammed posted on cheggit doesn’t mean you have to get all douchey and personal about it. Let it go man… your mom has the right to live her own life.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Actually my mother died from cancer six years ago. Now don’t you feel like an ass?

      • WhiteBeard says:

        No, everyone has to the right to do porn movies, if they are of legal age and consenting, even cancer patients.

        • Nate Glass says:

          Good to know you are up on your Rights. Care to discuss Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution?

          • L says:

            The only part that makes me sad is that it wasn’t ass cancer and you didn’t have to watch her die painfully in front of you.

          • Applesauce says:

            I’ll bite. I may be slow here, not sure I follow, Article 1 Section 8?

          • none says:

            “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

            To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

            To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

            To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

            To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

            To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

            To establish post offices and post roads;

            To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

            To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme court;

            To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

            To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

            To provide and maintain a navy;

            To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

            To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

            To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United Stats, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

            To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding then miles square) as may, by cessation of particular states, and the acceptance of the Congress, become the seat of the government of the United Stats, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;– And

            To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.”

            Did you perform due diligence to ensure that your takedown notices were directed at infringing material, and are you a legal agent of all the copyright holders for which you submitted a takedown? How did you identify that a given connection was infringing, or did you just shotgun all of them and let the chaos sort it out? Because I think you caught some CC-BY-SA-NC torrents in your sweep, which would make your actions taken as a whole fraudulent.

          • Nate Glass says:

            All of my notices are accurate and target infringing material. And yes I am an agent of all of my clients, why would I want to take something down for someone who wasn’t paying me to do so?

          • none says:

            So, how is it that you determine that a given tracker is infringing? Do you assume that the description is accurate? Do you download the file and compare it to the library of your client?

            In the first case, your notices are fraudulent, because a significant amount of material on Cheggit was inaccurately tagged and titled. In the second case, you violated Cheggit’s TOS and EULA, which are offenses roughly equal to copyright violation; in addition, because of the nature of bittorrent, you actively assisted in distributing that content. If you were acting as an agent of the rights holders when you actively assisted with distribution, then they legitimized that distribution (by participating).

            If your MO was precision strikes instead of carpet bombing, why did you use the carpet bombing metaphor?

            Also, where in A1S8 does anyone have ‘rights’ described? The only action taken is to grant Congress certain powers.

          • :/ says:

            I like how this sad excuse for a troll ignores all the comments with good arguments against him and instead responds like a butthurt troll to the trolls.

          • Nate Glass says:

            Stop trolling my trollers with trollness you troll.

      • cc says:

        no.. using your mothers death to get the moral highground in a an argument makes YOU the ass

      • Darn. It’s a shame her cancer didn’t metastasize sooner, before she had a chance to contribute to the gene pool of our growing idiocracy.

        But by all means, let’s get technical, since name calling isn’t going to get us anywhere:

        1) Your arguments are predicated on the false assumption that “copying” and transmission of digital content = theft. If you look up “theft” in the Oxford dictionary, you see that a critical component of the definition is depriving the original owner of access. Obviously digital transmissions need some form of regulation, but to call it theft and try and apply standard felonious provisions meant to control counterfeiting and the like is simply ignorant.

        2) If you look at all the recent studies done by UNBIASED organizations (here’s one: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1986299) you will see that the correlation between revenues and piracy is FAR more nuanced than you purport. But it’s easier to spread misinformation, propaganda, and fear based on your ideology, isn’t it?

        3) If you look at history, you will realize that the free market has always been responsible for what industries succeed and fail. When the internet emerged, it changed the paradigm of content delivery, and instead of embracing new ways to earn money using the internet, they took the litigious approach and ended up shooting themselves in the foot. What you don’t seem to understand, is that most pirates would gladly pay for content when it is delivered efficiently, without ridiculous and ineffective restrictions like DRM. Look at the effect services like iTunes and Spotify had on music piracy. Compare that to the effects of this pissing match between the RIAA/MPAA and us “pirates” and see which ACTUALLY had any significant, lasting effect on reducing piracy.

        The old models of media distribution are dying, and as per capitalism, the way to survive is to adapt and change. The MPAA & RIAA needs to embrace the internet as a delivery system, and work WITH the tech industry to create more technologies like Netflix, Spotify, iTunes, and Hulu.

        But of course, that will not happen. You’re too set in your ideologies to consider this positive solution, and instead feel the need to “fight for what’s yours.”

        Have fun with that fight, and just know it’s people like you that make people like me–willing to fight with my intelligence to ensure your fallacious presumptions stay in the fringes of the internet where they belong.

        Then again, cancer tends to be genetic so who knows, maybe natural selection will take care of you after all and do the world a favor.

      • Jimmy Schmidt says:

        Actually I’m glad your moms dead. Sounds appropriate.

        I’m sick an tired of getting fucked by assholes like you. Copyright law is a joke. Since disney had to extend copyright just ot protect a fucking animated Mouse long after Walt died, I haven’t respected that fucking joke of a law.

        How does it help Walt? – and yeah I’d like you to anwer that.

        So let me guess, you’re still trying to live of Mommys porn money and upset people were trading her videos without YOU getting money? Assholes like you steal from artists and only leach other’s work. You provide nothing and make nothing and want money for that? FUCK YOU

    • christopher ruth says:

      you should thank, nate. he’s freeing up your time from porn, so you can finally watch all those cute youtube videos of cats, which truly are free.

      if you want porn, or music, or movies, be a grown up and pay for them.

  5. ANONYMOUS - WE ARE LEGUN EXPECT US says:

    Hey man I want free stuff so can you stop trying to stop piracy?

    Thanks.

  6. Gabe Newell says:

    >2012
    >implying you can take down every porn sharing site that exists
    >not using usenet/quality private trackers that can’t be taken down
    >implying people won’t make a new cheggit similar site
    >implying this isn’t futile
    Your effort is in vain.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Implying what I’m not implying is impolite. And if the effort is futile, then why do you care enough to comment?

      • shhh says:

        Probably because in your article you seem to act triumphant as if you’re actually doing anything at all, that’s why you’re at like 16 comments from people who already don’t like you.

        • Nate Glass says:

          So do you think negative comments from freeloaders actually bother me? I’m not competing in a popularity contest my friend. At some point you need to understand that having haters is only confirmation that I’m succeeding in what I am paid to do. Add to the fact that the haters like to use childish insults and homophobic slurs and I hope you can grasp why 6, 16 or 160 negative comments doesn’t bother me at all.

          • Jordan says:

            Yeah, complaining about this guy doing his job well is about as useful as complaining that DMCA takedown notices and the rest of the corrupt mass marketed media is ruining their own industry. Frankly, they don’t care.

            They will continue to funnel more money into politics to continue and restrict our freedoms, enable more surveilance of our lives, and eventually find a way to monitor even our thoughts (yeah, that’s crazy talk. Just like its crazy to think that the government would ever lock someone up for 20 years for listening to music).

            Eventually people will get so fed up with it all, that they will snap. But it won’t do any good, because the damage is already done by hard working people like Nate here.

          • Nate Glass says:

            How is it ruining their own industry? It’s as enjoyable as it’s ever been. Look at what you can do now that you never could before. I have Netflix that I can watch on my iPhone anytime I want, I have a netflix enabled blu ray player in my office, and a ps3 in my living room, all for $10/mth. I can get a Blu Ray / DVD / Digital Copy combo pack of movies I really want to own for around $20 from Best Buy. I have HBOGO on my iPhone where I can watch even more movies and tv shows anytime I want. My iTunes library I can listen to while I’m working at my desk or in my car, or when I’m away from the office. Music is incredibly more affordable that it’s ever been before.

            And keep in mind that when you’re talking about funneling money into politics, the tech companies spend just as much if not more money in lobbying than the MPAA or the RIAA. I don’t know if you view them as evil as well but both sides of the copyright issue are buying politicians left and right and if you think those tech companies are in this for your rights you are delusional. They are only concerned with their bottom lines.

            Oddly enough, you seem to miss the point about me not being a part of the MPAA or the RIAA. I actually turn away any music producers as clients because of the Russia Allofmp3 loophole effectively renders me fairly useless. The only music producers I’ve helped were small bands that were upset that people were SELLING knockoff cds of their music. I don’t work for Hollywood, Hollywood would rather waste money on lawyers than use an effective affordable service like mine.

            I don’t know what damage you are attributing to me. My clients have rights too. Specific rights given to them in the Constitution, something I would hope you value. I work to protect my clients’ rights. The fact that my clients are outnumbered by those infringing those rights doesn’t nullify the rights themselves. We don’t live in a tyranny of the majority world.

            And you should also take heed of the type of site we’re talking about in this situation. Cheggit.net is an ADULT torrent tracker. Some of the adults I represent have went to prison and fought that same government, risking their livelihoods and own money to fight for their (AND YOUR) right to enjoy sexual materials between consenting adults. I’ve been to jail myself 11 times for fighting for your right to sexual expression. The adult industry is currently fighting the city of Los Angeles who wants to regulate how consenting adults can have sex. So keep in mind that the people whose copyrights you want to take away are not always Hollywood fatcats, sometimes they are the people who will fight tooth and nail for your rights and are often small business people whose livelihoods depend on the slim profit margins that piracy is already decimating.

  7. DERPY HOOVES says:

    And no one ever pirated porn ever again…

    Oh wait, that’s a lie…

  8. bobloblaw says:

    The face that you think your helping by running you little WordPress site makes me literally LOL. The fact is that online file sharing is now a integral part of the economy. When ever a new move is released the masses who really want to see it see it at a theater paying outrageous prices to sit in a cold room with a $13 bucket of popcorn and stare at a torn screen with a off color projector. If your trying to share a movie at this point its usually a handy-cam recording that is in my opinion unwatchable. So disgruntled the torrentie ends up seeing the movie in the theater or not at all limited money loss to big business. Then the movie gets released by someone inside the film industry to the internet via a screener or a promotional disk or a region 5 disk . These copy are what the torrenting masses usually end up with. This is the MPAA’s own god damn fault anybody that was going to share that movie is going to download the screener and it only comes from industry sources so if they can’t put a lid on their own holes in their system its their own damn fault. By the time the movie is actually released to Blu-ray and dvd 2-3 months out its well passed being downloaded anymore. Anybody that wants the movie will either rent it or buy it. At witch point the movie had made the majority of its money. The whole system is fucked from the inside and its not anybody’s problem but the legal fucks at the MPAA, specially not yours unless you are a artiest that is being personally hurt by file sharing. The only reason you assholes do this is for profit.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Wow with the WordPress…coming from a culture of people who all use unlicensed vbulletin forums and wordpress themes themselves, the irony is dripping off the page. There’s simply no need for me to put a penny into a fancy webpage since that is not what my clients are paying me to do.

      Online file sharing is not an integral part of the economy any more than knock-off handbags are part of the economy. I’m going to assume you skipped both Micro and Macro Economics classes.

      I go to the movies once or twice a week. Because I have friends, and I mean living breathing friends who actually like to engage in human contact outside of a forum on the internet. We go to some really awesome theaters like Alamo Drafthouse, instead of watching crappy cam rips on your splooge covered monitor. Trust me, if you’re a productive member of society (ya know…an integral part of the economy) you can actually earn (might need to look up the definition of EARN) enough money to go see a movie in the theater. It’s amazing what you can do when you work hard and do an honest job! The rest of your MPAA rant is difficult to even understand so I’ll just assume you hate the MPAA blah blah blah, same old, same old.

      However, this will blow your mind – I don’t work for the MPAA…or the RIAA for that matter. My clients are small businesses and artists who are being hurt by file sharing. But don’t let that stop you from singing the pirate party line and licking the boots of the commercial copyright infringers you so ignorantly let manipulate you.

      • Anothanon says:

        >However, this will blow your mind – I don’t work for the MPAA…or the RIAA for that matter. My clients are small businesses and artists who are being hurt by file sharing.

        I came here annoyed (this was linked to on the cheggit forums), and got more annoyed as I read the comments, and then completely changed my mind when I read this. Seriously.

        • Nate Glass says:

          I know downloaders want to assume that everyone who makes content is just some filthy rich out-of-touch asshole who doesn’t “get” the internet. I certainly can not deny that those types do exist. But you have to understand that there are far more producers out there that aren’t rich by any means. Do they have aspirations of their products being so popular that they get rich? Sure, maybe, why not? Don’t we all? The fact is that to paint every person like me with the MPAA-brush is really a copout. My clients are small businesses who can’t afford high-powered Hollywood attorneys to nickle and dime them to death with little to no results. They hire me because I’m affordable, I’m honest and I get results without dragging 12 year old kids into court or filing false claims. I’m the guy who does it the right way. The Cheggit haters can hate me all they want, that’s their right. But don’t hate me because of what your gripes with the MPAA are. Don’t hate me because I have a completely legitimate business that services the needs of small businesses. Don’t hate me because I believe my clients have rights that you simply can’t take away because you outnumber them.

          • Albert Gonzalez says:

            I hate you because you come off like an arrogant immature little prick. There’s no mention of the small business content creators you supposedly work for in your post, it’s just a playground fight for you, “carpet-bombing” with DMCA requests and being on them like “white on rice”.

            Then you insult commenters about not having any real friends or watching movies on “splooge covered” monitors. Stay classy.

          • Nate Glass says:

            If you were aware of 1% of the hateful things said about me I think you’d understand why I don’t just let internet tough guys talk shit without giving them back a dose of their own medicine.

          • Johny Cig says:

            Hmms, you say that you’re serving your clients, not the MPAA. Just a few hurt artists and producers. Yet you also claim you “carpet bombed” cheggit to have everything you could taken down. How many clients do you have?

          • Nate Glass says:

            A lot. Like I said…if there wasn’t 10s of 1000s of my clients’ works being posted on Cheggit, we wouldn’t have had to carpet bomb them now would we?

          • This Nate Guy Acts Like A Child says:

            Parody of the way Nate Glass is acting in response to opinions of his childish attitude. “Waah, people on the internet tell me their true thoughts of me.”

            Sorry but if you don’t want to be judged as the childish troll you seem to be, change, you know try to grow up. Your responses tell me that you are in serious need of counseling and anger management, whoever employs you should be embarrassed by your lack of self control. You seem like a very unstable person, the reactions you give because some internet tough guy shared their opinion with you. You are no better than the “internet tough guy” and are infact an “internet tough guy”

            I would say this to your face so your childish name calling isn’t directed at me and I am not offended, I feel sorry for you though, seriously your reactions to “internet tough guys” is to be no better than an “internet tough guy”.

            Please for a moment act like your family’s name and reputation matters and don’t resort to being no better than the “internet tough guys” who seem to be getting the exact reaction they want from you, you seriously should know better.

  9. Trevor says:

    Dude what you’ve chosen to follow as a career path is your own choice and kudos to you for being so passionate and clearly committed to the job, but you have to see where these guys are coming from when you reduce yourself to their level with comments such as “real friends” and “splooge covered monitor”.

    In general I think anyone getting so worked up on the internet is daft, especially when as you say they’ll find another place to go pretty much instantly.

    There’s obviously a need for people like you do to do what you’re doing and protecting intellectual property, otherwise there is no motivation for production and innovation, so don’t be downhearted and keep fighting the good fight. It’s an almost noble approach in the face of such backlash but somehow I can’t help but feel you’re fighting a losing battle. Piracy is here to stay, especially as we get more and more connected, but don’t let that put you off making an honest wage.

  10. minus says:

    I guess you weren’t raised in the spirit of helping your neighbour or your friends because you would understand what filesharing is all about. And do you think that what you do is best for the most of the people? Because if so you’re like the same as the so called leaders who think they know what’s best for every individual. Maybe when you’ll have a family you’ll learn how it feels to be unselfish.

    • Nate Glass says:

      I know what filesharing is about today. $$$

      Wrap yourselves in your utopia ideals all you want, ignore case after case of people making millions off filesharing.

      What I do is not to benefit any set number of people. I am defending a right specifically outlined in the United States Constitution and a Fundamental Human Right as defined by the United Nations.

      Perhaps you believe in just tyranny of the majority or a world where the masses can deprive minorities of their rights. I do not.

      • Lulzy McLulz says:

        EL OH EL

        Yeah, you’re a real human rights crusader. Fuck those stupid losers trying to stop child soldiers, human trafficking and end brutal regimes…you “stopped” people downloading porn for free.

        So you brag about abusing a system from a site that was actually trying to follow the rules, encouraging other sites to just fuck the law altogether…because why even bother trying to comply? Assclowns like you are just going to carpet-bomb (your words, not mine) sites so it’s better to just take the risk.

        “I know what filesharing is about today. $$$”
        Yes, for YOU. You charge for your services, Cheggit *never* charged its users a single dime. You never created shit and don’t possess a creative bone in your body, so you file some paperwork so you can at least hang with the cool kids, since you’ll never be one yourself.

        Gitmo’s still open but Cheggit is dead, another great victory for human rights! Downloading Anal Virgins 83 without paying is the real “tyranny” in the world, stopping it puts you at LEAST on the same tier as those stopping women being executed for the crime of being raped.

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          [x] was foretold
          [x] demon’s told
          [x] http//:www.youtold.com
          [x] Tolden Sun: Dark Dawn
          [x] Tic-Tac-Told
          [X] Biotold 2
          [X] Toldbound
          [x] icetold
          [x] Told of the Rings

      • Anonymous says:

        Which constitutional right are you defending? I’m not asserting you’re lying about it, just genuinely curious.

        • Nate Glass says:

          http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

          Many of the pro-filesharing crowd want to completely eliminate all copyright. They’ll tell you it lasts too long and all that, which is a fine debate to have. But when I’ve approached them with copyright being limited to even five years and then asking if they would then support legal action against anyone that pirates The Avengers this year, they quickly show their true intent that all media should be free. A right is no good if you can’t actually enforce or enjoy it, that’s not a right, that’s lip service.

          The UN also declared in 1948 in Aricle 27 on Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
          “Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary, or artistic production of which he is the author.”

          That’s not a human right you’ll hear the pro-filesharing crowd say they are willing to fight for. They want to strip that right away from content creators as well.

          • Anonymous says:

            What, the powers of Congress? That’s not human rights, it’s the powers of Congress. Learn to read and/or be more specific; it’s a big list.

          • Nate Glass says:

            Reading is FUNdamental!
            “(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.”
            http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

          • Jimmy Schmidt says:

            I’ll back your idea that copyright should be limited to five years, and let you go after pirates then.

            Where do I sign up? Or is this just some more “imaginitive fantasy thought” you don’t really back?

            Really. Do you have a different site that promotes this? I can’t find it here.

  11. Tom says:

    What you are doing is futile and you provide a pointless service to your customers, but i can understand why you are in the business, for the money.

    • Nate Glass says:

      For a futile effort it sure does get a lot of people angry at me doesn’t it? I’m glad that you’ve uncovered the big conspiracy of people being in business for money. Shhhh don’t tell anyone.

      Don’t tell the countless people I’ve helped out for no-charge that ok? Don’t tell the companies that charge 10 to 20 times as much as myself for the same service ok?

      But I’m glad we can find common ground, you don’t like people being in this for the money right? So you too are hoping that Megaupload gets the full punishment coming to them right? You’re ready to fight side by side with me when it comes to filesharing sites making money off of ads and premium memberships right? Let’s take the money out of it! If a site can’t sustain itself with user donations then you and I can agree that they should be shut down, right? No speed limiting, no ratio buying, no ads, no fake usenext ads….not a penny coming in unless it’s user donations. Otherwise, they’re just in it for the money, no?

  12. Mr. One-Liner (I stole these jokes) says:

    Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  13. Mr. One-Liner (I stole these jokes) says:

    I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather.. Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.

  14. Mr. One-Liner (I stole these jokes) says:

    I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn’t work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.

  15. AnonTNG says:

    The honest ones among us recognize that you aren’t in the same figurative boat as the proponents of the SOPA and PIPA bills. To assume otherwise would be as utterly ignorant as ethnic stereotyping. I can certainly appreciate that your goal here is to protect the financial livelihood of the producers of a lot of the content that was being consumed on Cheggit. It is a solid case.

    And not all of us on Cheggit were a bunch of low-life freeloaders trying to rip other people off. I’m not arguing against your case because as I said, it’s solid. What I hope I am doing is illustrating that not all of us are causing a livelihood loss just because we have posted content. I have a membership with a content provider and am glad to pay for their services. I think I can speak for a good number of the posters from Cheggit that we were active because we love the content, we love the community (which had a good number of amateur performers) and spent often spent a good amount of effort for a pretty thankless task.

    Not countering your argument. Just hoping you see that a great many of us weren’t the problem.

    • Frank says:

      Well said. This guy has got his stereotypes of Cheggit users all in a row, but they’re terribly inaccurate.

      The porn industry lost no money to me. I’ve never paid for porn in my life, and after all these years, I don’t think I ever will… unless the porn industry can create something as handy and powerful as Cheggit, in which case I’d gladly buy a membership. I appreciated the amateur community on Cheggit, I appreciated the awesome speeds, and I appreciated the folks who hung out there.

      At any rate, keep patting yourself on the back, but please don’t think what you’re doing is particularly noble. You’re the internet equivalent of lawyers who make all of their money defending gangsters and drug dealers.

  16. War on Drugs ver. 2 says:

    Enjoy continuing this futile, pointless battle. I hope it consumes your life and leaves little else of value. People will share information freely until the last man is immolated by the expanding sun.

  17. James says:

    You motherfucker give me my porn back..!

  18. Parker East says:

    You are the scum of the earth.

  19. Downrightdaft says:

    To all those who’ve been criticising Nate Glass:
    My suggestion is – Don’t. At least not here. Trying to get him to see that points of view other than his own could be valid is obviously a futile exercise.
    To Nate Glass: Thank you for providing a forum (free of cost!) for us ‘pirates’ to share our views with each other.

    • Nate Glass says:

      You’re welcome.

      Also, how many other anti-piracy guys even interact with you guys. I interact with guys from Wjunction, I interact with Ernesto at TF. I’ve taken the issues you guys have raised and brought them up in interviews to illustrate the failures of the content producers.

      If you can’t accept that I don’t live in the “everything should be free” echo chamber and thus will often disagree with you, then yeah I guess this is futile. But jeez man, I have responded to every single comment and I have approved every single comment. Give me some credit.

  20. Johny Cig says:

    Now Nate, I see a flaw in your reasoning. You see, not all of us live in countries where media is sold cheaply or is available easily. For many of us, getting an episode of some random American/German/Japanese show or whatever means waiting 4 years until it comes out here and then paying some 20 times as much as you would have to if you lived in the country where these media originated from. Sometimes, the media NEVER arrives because it is deemed in appropriate by our own government Australians for example don’t get many of the games, movies and porn that the Americans do. In some countries porn is banned completely.

    “Oh but that is the law in your country, not my problem. Laws are there to be followed”. I remember people thinking the same about the Germans some time ago in the 1940′s. They say the same about Iran now where a female rape victim can be seen as the criminal since she has sex with someone who wasn’t her husband. The punishment? Death by stoning. Oh well it’s the law so that’s okay. Best to enforce it.

    Sorry, but just cause it is a low doesn’t make it right. I’d gladly pay many of these adult movie actors/actresses for their work if I could but I can’t since the media is not available to me here. The only option if I want is…

    • Nate Glass says:

      And you should mosey over to your leading propaganda website TorrentFreak. Search for the article about Iran running a state-sponsored FTP server with Adobe Photoshop, MS Office, etc. Then look at the comments from your brethren about how “Iran gets it”, the praise heaped on Iran for being pirates is disgusting. So keep that in mind the next time you think your comrades are on the side of right. According to them Photoshop > Human Rights.

      The problem you address is one I’ve harped on a lot too. Why isn’t stuff available in your country? Keep in mind that if adult producers COULD sell stuff in your country…trust me….they would. Often times the problem isn’t the producer, but the country itself won’t allow it. And sometimes the problem is that a smart entrepreneur such as yourself hasn’t taken the initiative to bring it to your country. Hint hint.

      • Johny Cig says:

        I would, but then I don’t want to die over porn.

        So my choices are either no porn, die or pirate porn. Which did I choose?

      • enigmax // andy / torrentfreak says:

        Propaganda? Come on Nate…..

        Do we shy away from any story, whether it’s good for the anti-piracy lobby or bad? Never.

        Don’t forget, I offered you a guest article slot on TF to ensure that ‘your side’ had its say. You didn’t take that opportunity, and that’s your choice, but in offering it to you it suggests we’re not as one sided as you imply ;)

        We’ll let **anyone** on **any** side of this piracy debate have their say on the frontpage – MPAA, IFPI, RIAA, BPI – anyone.

        So please don’t say we engage in propaganda :)

        • Nate Glass says:

          And because I didn’t accept your offer, you proceeded to write your Nate and copyright-trolls article. I’m here getting hate mail wishing cancer upon me and my family. I guarantee you 110% if these comments were being made by anti-piracy people against Rick Falk-whatever that you’d have a sensational article about how “Copyright Trolls Wish Death Upon Freedom Loving Heroes”

          I don’t blame you for playing to your audience, that’s your right to do. But anyone well informed on these subjects can see that every article on your site is meant to cast “pirates” in the positive light above all else. You put up articles about copyright lobbyists but you can’t be bothered with a little investigating all the money spent on lobbyists from tech companies.

          “Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position so as to benefit oneself or one’s group.” This is exactly what you do. You can very well say I do the same, it would be a fine debate.

          • enigmax // andy / torrentfreak says:

            Hi Nate

            No part of that post was insulting to you Nate and it certainly wasn’t a retaliation of any kind.

            It was just to show that people who are supposedly against piracy make money from it, you included, and if it ended so would the money and your business with it.

            I think it’s unfair of you to somehow associate TF with the abuse that you get here and elsewhere. We don’t condone that at all and everyone who deals with us gets treated with courtesy, no matter who they are or where they’re from.

            We speak to plenty of people in the ‘copyright’ world – even some ‘trolls’ – and we always treat them with courtesy too. Just because we don’t like what they do it never gets personal. They’re doing a job and trying to earn a living.

            We write about copyright lobbyists because that’s our sphere of interest. We’ll write about technology lobbyists if they step into that sphere too.

            In respect of your propaganda assertion i’ve thought about it and it’s actually quite interesting. The notion that we somehow premeditate articles in order to influence our audience’s thoughts is a somewhat more grand position than i’d ever imagined.

            Cheers

  21. charpel says:

    Why the fuck do you have to be so evil? In your article it even seems like you enjoy kicking down sandcastles. Please stop.

    • Nate Glass says:

      You likely came here from a thread linked on Cheggit calling me a faggot, yet I’m the evil one? Amazing.

      • Arne says:

        Nate Glass, Charpel made a reasonable point.
        And the thread does not call you a faggot, individuals may have.

        So don’t try to deflect his point by lying about the thread, its an individual…

        And when a child tells you he told a lie, or stops to do bad, do you hit him or reward him?

        In this case, you hit the child, Cheggit, when they stopped to offer free possibly illigal downloads. Instead of praising them for setting a “good” example. (at least from your point of view that should be.)

        Have a nice day! Try not to get too wind up by the internet trolls, mostly kids most likely.

        • Nate Glass says:

          People in the thread called me a faggot, people commenting here have said worse. I don’t see you admonishing the guy wishing cancer upon me and my family. It’s tough to go against one of your own, I know. But if it makes you feel better to cast me as evil and ignore the evil your ilk are doing, then whatever helps you sleep at night I suppose.

          • Assman says:

            Dude, please.
            Those guys coming here, wishing shit on you and your family are inexcusable, utterly reprehensible, even fucked up.
            Some of us do understand that you are doing your job, are passionate about said job and remunerated for a job well done; nothing wrong with any of that.
            By all means curse out the deserving but you could at least answer a civil statement with equal civility.

          • Nate Glass says:

            I believe I was pretty civil. Guess your mileage may vary.

  22. N/A says:

    Well… how’s Piratebay doing?

    • Nate Glass says:

      Financially they are killing it. Business is good for cashwhores like them.

      • me says:

        So what are you then? An official and sanctioned cash whore as opposed to their unsanctioned cash whoring? Your language is indicative of what kind of person you are. You can go ahead and hide behind the fact that a bunch of anonymous random assholes said x to you, but aren’t you supposed to be some sort of professional? You seem like a uncouth nerd who takes far too much glee in causing grief and riling “pirates” up. I was unaware that instigating and picking fights with “pirates” was part of your job description? I can tell you that little streak you have will almost definitely not serve you well in the future.

  23. bill evans says:

    yeah, I’m sure you’ve never ever downloaded any copyrighted material or googled up some free porn rather than drive down and buy the dvd from the sex shop.

    So good job, 1 down only 59 million more to go. I think the real crime here is how you lie your face off and convince these companies that you can protect their ancient business model by forcing a website to move or close. You are just as much a leech as the downloaders are, only you convince yourself you are a white knight. Truly laughable.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Wrong. I tell my clients that the reason I know how this stuff works is I used to be a part of this culture. I first started around 1998, the internet was very different back then. The idea of making money from piracy was a no-no, even putting ads on your site would get you ostracized from the scene. Nowadays everyone is a cashwhore. Think about this…who came up with the term ‘cashwhore’….it certainly wasn’t the media. That was a term the piracy crowd came up with, it was supposed to be used to label those who were in it for all the wrong reasons. Today, you guys defend cashwhores at every opportunity.

      • boogie says:

        Wait…does that mean you’re a cash whore?

      • Frank says:

        I guess your time away from this “culture” has made you a little out of touch. “Nowadays everyone is a cashwhore” is an inaccurate stereotype. I’m on a few torrent sites as a member, and they’re ALL run without ads, by young folks who are far from rich, who barely put together enough money for site administration costs through fundraisers/donations.

        These are the people I defend. Folks who run music sites because they love music, who encourage people to go out and buy the music they download. The members of these sites who, research has shown, actually buy more music than folks who don’t make use of filesharing tech. Megaupload and their ilk aren’t indicative of torrent or filesharing culture in any way shape or form.

        • dood says:

          It’s too expensive to buy music just to see if you like it and there is a lot of rare stuff you can only get from sharing.

          • dood says:

            Also many works have been discovered through sharing that would not have otherwise been found. Like the live Dark Side of the Moon set made from 3 sources (radio, 2 microphone recordings)… where is that on Amazon.com or itunes… nowhere.

          • dood says:

            Unless you have lots of “3d” friends who know about this rare, cool stuff then you never discover it unless through sharing. It is a blessing to some.

          • dood says:

            It’s also useful to see what people are sharing as it’s generally the better material. Sifting through Amazon there is too much marketing and hype. Sharing reveals more of what the connoisseurs are interesting in… I can’t stress that enough. Sorry if it’s not technically legal all the time but it’s a valid reason to share. Oh well.

          • dood says:

            Think if you had friends with lots of variety is music tastes would it be wrong to “borrow” a CD for awhile to see if you like it? That’s my point…. lots of people don’t know anyone they can just borrow something from or anyone who already has rare bootlegs so filesharing is the only option. That is all I have to say about it… just letting you know it’s not all about trying to be a “leach”.

  24. Anonymous says:

    Nate

    Appreciate the effort — but you are just a small pawn – you do realize that. You are funded by same porn/slut media companies which are bombarding youth with vulgar images in the print and video and glorifying sluts like ParisHilton and LindesyLohan.

    So, you can sit on your moral high horse and be happy :)

    I will be more appreciative of your work IF you manage to fix the corrupt media. But I guess you get paid by them, so you are no different than others.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan are not funding me, nor are they in any way connected to my clients.

      But don’t let the real facts get in the way of your exaggerated ones.

      • Thatguy says:

        I see his/her point, or at least part of it. There’s not a whole lot of difference between you and Kim dotcom. You’re both opportunists who found a market and exploited it. And you aren’t a sheriff taking out the lawless, unless I missed where you were deputized by the feds. That’s fine, you do what you do, but the woofing about it? Maybe that’s this part of you that is a “former” member of the “community.” I just don’t by the crusader bit. Especially not after reading below that you have a friggin AVN column.

        • Nate Glass says:

          There’s a big difference between me and Kim Dotcom…about 175 million differences last time I checked. I provide a service to people willing to pay for that service, and I operate within the letter of the law in enforcing the constitutional rights of a minority of people. I give back to the producers by providing a service to them. Kim Dotcom just took money from producers and gave nothing back. Big differences. He’s also considerably heavier than me, but does drive a nicer car(s).

          • Thatguy says:

            Figures you would try and toss the Constitution in there. We all know that’s bullshit. You aren’t a lawyer, you aren’t a sworn officer of the Court. You’re a dude with a script who makes money with it. It works so much better when you stick with that story. Dotcom took nothing from producers. He took from the rubes who signed up for his service . As you do.

            Those people are frustrated with the way things are. They get all emotional about “stealing” but most dl’ers weren’t going to buy their crap anyway. DL’ers want the iTunes type of freedom, not to have to buy the whole record to hear that one song they want. The makers get emotional and their expensive lawyers have little immediate effect so they go to you.

            The porn industry want things to be the way they were, where you have to buy/rent the chaff to get to the wheat. But they will never be that way again. They can’t even see when they’re doing things right (hotmovies was killing before Netflix). They, like the movie and recording industry, just want the old model back. No one wanted Jobs to have as much control of the music industry as he ended up with. As much as I thought he was a tool he sure made that call.

            Those people need a lesson from Louis CK in how to distribute their product. He knew he had 1)something good to offer 2)fans willing to try and 3) the means to distribute cheaply. And he made a nice profit. I GLADLY bought that shit. As do many so called “pirates.”

          • Nate Glass says:

            ….and the pirates pirated the shit outta Louis CK’s work….even though he met every bullshit goalpost you guys keep moving back 10 yards.

            Did it ever occur to you that Louis CK made his profit off his fans….not freeloaders? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

          • Nate Glass says:

            Even though Louis CK’s standup is still available on his site with the same terms as what you are applauding him for…how come it still has 300 seeders for just one torrent nearly 2 months later.

            Freeloaders will be freeloaders, it’s in their blood…they are repulsed at the idea of rewarding good work, sickened by the thought of contributing to society. Ya know….parasites.

          • Thatguy says:

            Freeloaders will be freeloaders? Wow. Insight, man.

            300 seeders? Really WOW! He sold 110,000 copies in ONE DAY. As of the end of December he made ONE MILLION dollars, 3/4 of that as profit. I’m sure department store loss prevention would like to see that kind of ratio.

            What goal posts are you talking about? You think he didn’t realize that some people were going to break the implicit agreement he made when he tried the experiment? Have you watched his show? He’s hardly a moron. As far as he’s concerned, at least he’s telling the public and those who bought his show that it was a success.

            And who knows who or why people decided to torrent the show. Maybe some kid whose parents don’t want to pay for any of that foul mouthed smut, or someone who got blocked or a rival comic. It can’t all be about the frailties of human nature.

            Yet, saying that people will always try to get free stuff only proves “our” point (I don’t know where you get this “you guys” stuff from). There are laws on the books that cover this. Why should RIAA and MPAA get some special protection from the law . . . . oh wait yeah, lobbying.

      • Frank says:

        Ironic… from a guy who “exaggerates the facts” about the filesharing community to such a large degree. Your stereotypes of the members of these communities and of the folks who run these communities are far worse exaggerations.

        At any rate, exaggerating the real facts about the degrading, anti-woman industry that you’re fighting to defend, you mean? The poster you glibly responded to made a great point… your white knight armor is sullied a little by your defense of the type of industry being discussed here: https://againstpornography.org/professionaltestimony.html

        • Nate Glass says:

          Glad to see you are an opponent of free speech and sexual expression. I hope you like the company you keep in hating porn that also hates anything with bad language or violence.

          Be careful who you are buddies with Frank.

  25. Mr. A says:

    I don’t really care what you think of file sharing. But article 1 section 8 doesn’t endow pornographers with the right to their content. Congress gave them that right with the power granted Congress in the Constitution. Spin all you want about file sharing, but get the Constitution right.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Congress shall have the power:

      “To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;”

      • Mr. A says:

        Yeah, and the “butt ramming” discussion (where this came up) was a discussion of individual rights. You brought up a right of Congress out of the blue and made it sound like an individual right. When people steal content, they violate acts of Congress which Congress chose to pass, not the Constitution.

        Admittedly your debate opponent wasn’t…yeah. I nitpick only because people on the internet have enough misconceptions about the law and the Constitutions. We ought to be very clear about what’s in there and what isn’t.

        • Nate Glass says:

          Congress was given the power in the Constitution to secure that right for producers of material. Of course by violating that right you’re violating something Congress has passed, but aren’t we really splitting heirs here? I wasn’t totally immersed in my Constitution classes in high school but I’m fairly certain the enumerated powers came even before the bill of rights.

          It’s a serious right that the anti-copyright crowd wants to completely do away with. Make no mistake about it, they don’t just want the copyright term shortened, they want it gone entirely.

          And it most certainly is an individual right. Individuals produce materials.

          • Mr. A says:

            I might be splitting James Cameron’s heirs. But I’m not quite splitting hairs. The individual doesn’t have a constitutional right to have their material patented like we have the right to not have soldiers quartered in our homes. Article 1 section 8 says all the thing Congress CAN do. It doesn’t say Congress must lay and impose taxes or regulate interstate commerce; but they can if they want. The clause in question simply says that Congress has the power to make patent law.

            So, yeah Congress could do away with the DMCA. That would make your job harder and the courts wouldn’t help you. The difference is the courts wouldn’t stop congress for repealing the DMCA where as they would stop Congress from enforcing a law requiring we house soldiers. And that’s the difference from an individual right and a power of Congress.

          • Mr. A says:

            I don’t know where the unconstitutional copyright people get their argument. The first amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

            I imagine there’s sometimes conflict between these things. But I don’t know.

  26. Person says:

    I posted few of my amateur shots in Cheggit… They were made of me with camera I’ve bought and content was shared for free for people to enjoy. Cheggit was a service not just for “leeches”, and it’s not fair you’re targetting everyone using such service as if they are all thieves. That is like you’d destroy all Honda cars saying some drunk drivers drive Honda cars.

    • Nate Glass says:

      I’m sorry you lost your legit stuff, unfortunately for you you chose to upload them to a site where 90% of the stuff there was copyrighted stuff and you know that. If you choose to put your stuff in a storage unit where you know every other unit is being used as a meth lab, you can’t cry foul when the feds close the place down.

  27. Anonymous says:

    Guys Guys (and Girls !)

    Take it easy !!

    He is just a paid googler … probably couldnt get a real job — got tired of standing in OWS ..

  28. Zaek says:

    Hello Nate.

    First I’d like to congratulate you on your job well done.

    Secondly, I’d like to say that I don’t like how piracy is being dealt with, and I think there are far more reasonable ways to go about it, I’m not a fan of RIAA nor MPAA, but I don’t have strong dislike of the people who are simply doing their jobs, even though I find their jobs to be ridiculous, it’s not a personal thing. but that’s not what I want to discuss here.

    And I would also like to mention that I am what you’re calling a ‘freeloader’
    I have downloaded a few movies and some music.

    Just like you, I do my job. I pay my bills, I hang out with friends, I too use my Iphone for fun. I mostly purchase my entertainment, except, sometimes I download it pirated.

    I would just like to have said that, and that I have nothing against you personally.

    What really bothers me is how when you write, you give the impression that you’re for some reason above or better if you want, than all the people who have ever downloaded something pirated. (This might not be how you’re feeling, but that’s how I interpret it when I’m reading what you’re posting)

    You seem to imply that people who pirate things have no friends, and that they’re ..of a lower quality(?)

    You see, Nate, most of the people who pirate things are regular, normal people. People like you and me. People who do their jobs, people with friends, who also enjoy a trip to the cinema, and who listen to music at their office.

    Instead of typing some useless insults on the internet about yo-mama and what not,
    I’m just trying to say that the ‘attitude’ isn’t really needed, and I think you’d benefit from getting rid of it.

    Again, I’m not trying to insult you, and I have a full understanding of that you’re just doing your job, but does the job really have to include bashing and trash talking people who have broken a law or two?
    After all, are we not all supposedly equally worth?
    We are all just people.

    I’m not trying to tell you how to act, I’m merely trying to give you a small tip about negative attitudes and how they’re not constructive or useful at all.

    I hope you can read this, and see that I’m not your enemy.

    You’re more than welcome to bash me all you want. I’ll gladly take your mean words, as long as my message gets through to you.

    However, I have also taken in consideration that you could mind as well just be a fucking douche bag, who enjoys pissing on other people, just for the fun of it, though, I hope that is not the case.

    Sincerely, Zaek

    • Nate Glass says:

      Zack,

      Thank you for calling me out on regrettable comments. In my defense I will say, when you see the homophobic slurs hurled at me, the insults about my late mother and whatnot, it’s hard for me to sometimes keep my feelings in check.

      I apologize for being general with my comments. I hate being generalized with the ‘copyright trolls’, so it is wrong of me to do the same. My distaste doesn’t extend to the casual downloader. My distaste is for the cashwhores using cyberlockers to make money off of other people’s works. My distaste is for the sites making 100s of 1000s of dollars with ads and premium accounts using other people’s works.

      I know you guys wouldn’t necessarily be aware of this, but you should watch some of my interviews and read some of my other writings. I have written at length about my dislike of end-user litigation. Even using my monthly column in AVN to criticize this practice. I’ve been incredibly critical of previous unscrupulous activities done by our industry that make people WANT to pirate. I’ve said time and time again we wouldn’t have nearly as big a piracy problem if people could legitimately purchase content for a reasonable price in every country.

      Points taken, I appreciate your well thought out and cordial comments Zaek.

      • Zaek says:

        Hello again Nate, and thanks for the reply.

        Thank you for the apology, and yeah, it’s perfectly understandable that you too are capable of mistakes.
        Once again, we are all just human!

        I will look into your other work, interviews and what now, now that I’ve realised that you’re not the arrogant prick that my first impression was!

        I’m glad to hear your focus and your dislike are on the people who benefit from others work, in all honesty, that’s probably things many of us can agree on being just fair.

        I would also like to give my condolences, I’m sorry to hear you’ve lost your mother.

        I have already linked to this article in my blog and posted my comment as well (I was unsure if it would get approved at first) and with your permission, I’d also like to include your reply, since it paints you in a very different light.

        At some point, if you’re interested. I’d quite enjoy a conversation about how it’s like being a long time member of for instance a private tracker site and the community around it, from an alternative point of view than what you’re used to. (Assuming you’ve not really participated in such things)

        That’ll be all. Once again, thanks for replying.

        Sincerely, Zaek

        • Nate Glass says:

          I would absolutely love an interview. Discussion leads to education and educations solves problems. Content producers could and should learn from pirates the ways they aren’t meeting the customers demands, and downloaders need to learn how much this affects producers and how there are people among them that are making millions of dollars off other people’s hard work.

          You can contact me at nate {at} takedownpiracy {dot} {com}

    • Someone says:

      So zaek, don’t forget that poison dart we talked about

  29. Mr. A says:

    Also, a good citizen who uses Netflix, Pandora, Hulu, Redbox, etc benefits from piracy. Those services are so cheap because they compete with piracy. Were there no piracy, the studios would use their oligopoly power to raise prices. When Netflix raised prices and lost all those customers, where do you think all the customers went? Did those people just stop watching movies? Of course not! They started stealing again.

    I’m not saying stealing content is a good thing. But I know who to thank when I watch three seasons of Mad Men on Netflix for $10: the den of thieves. We need to come together as a society and have a frank discussion about how much entertainment should cost. It’s ridiculous to expect people to pay $29.99 for a blu-ray or 13.99 for an album. And were there no piracy, Netflix would probably be too expensive too. But, yeah, everyone should pay their fair share.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Excellent points. I’ve said many times that piracy does illuminate how people want to consume content. The advantages piracy sites have is that they have no production costs so they can focus entirely on the distribution method. The challenge for producers then becomes to as closely as possible emulate that distribution method in a cost efficient way.

      Were there no mp3s, there would be no iTunes.

      • Mr. A says:

        Granted. However, when an industry claims they need unfettered oligopoly power in the market to cover costs, they shouldn’t be surprised when there’s push back.

    • Sergio says:

      Exactly. Piracy should be seen like competition, not an enemy that needs to go down (worthless).

      The problem here, is that they want CONTROL over the content.

      If you don’t mind Mr. A, I would correct you by saying that downloading content it’s not stealing, but copyright infringement. Very different. :)

      Cheers!

      • Nate Glass says:

        Yes, how dare people want control over the content they paid and worked to produce? What a bunch of assholes!

        People should just work for free for Emperor Sergio so that he never has to contribute anything himself.

        Hail Sergio!

  30. Kira says:

    He Nate Glass,

    If you must, just do your job instead of being an asshole by telling everybody about your ‘big’ victory…
    I’m sorry to be the one to tell you, but you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that you might won this battle but you have not won the war..

    Yeejj let’s make a big applause for Nate Glass everybody, he thinks he’s making the world a better place !

    I’m like, it is what it is, and we don’t need someone like you to tell us everything about it. And guess what, i didn’t even have to read everything you said to know you’re pathetic.

    Some people get a hard on cheggit, i guess Nate gets it from comments.

    But hey, to each his own :) Have a nice wank on this one

    • Nate Glass says:

      Thanks for the kind words!

    • Nate Glass says:

      The war isn’t over yet either Kira. Thanks for the kind comments.

      • Kira says:

        No thanks, my pleasure.

        And please, keep on dreaming, because this is a war you can’t win..
        A man with such ‘intelligence’ of this particular industry should understand that by now..

        But as i said earlier, it seems you are only posting here to get a hard on, or ‘trying’ to convince people you are doing a good job, which ( in my opinion ) you shouldn’t have to do if you were doing a good job in the first place…

        Well Nate, you must feel great :)

        Cheers

        • Nate Glass says:

          I’m posting here because I like the debate with those that disagree and/or outright despise me. I approve every comment and so far I believe I have responded to each and every one.

          And I don’t need to convince anyone I’m doing a good job…you guys are doing that for me.

          Thanks!

  31. UpurS says:

    I’ve actually read most of the comments. What I can’t understand is how deranged you fuckers are?! You piss and moan about things as is they are religion to you. The industry will have to get their heads out of their asses, to fullfill the demand of the users. All they worry about is their annual 15% growth to squeeze the last cent out of the consumer, regardless of whom it might hurt. Your iPhone, PS3 and TiVo is made by poor fucking chinese children who work in slavery to satisfy your endless demand for MORE! While Steve and Bill wash away their bad conscience with a poor excuse of a contribution for kids with cancer.
    You should fucking contribute to the society in any way you could. Be creative! Make your own porn! Fight the real enemy! Instead you fight each other over petty issues while your Congress figures out new ways to rape you.

    The only way you’ll get anything for free is if you share whats yours. Sharing stolen property is not really sharing. You didn’t put an effort into anything, so it can’t be yours to share. No, you are not downloading a car and you wouldn’t have paid for anything anyway, and you are not at sea taking someones loved ones captive but you are definitely not contributing. Yeah, the stars like their fame and you spread the word. But that only attract a lot of poor bitches that can’t handle the industry.

    I’ve tried and tried but I can’t understand why you’d be whoring your self to fight someone elses battles for money. You say it is a mission, but I’ll bet my next upload that you wouldn’t do it for free. Robert De Niro and Jeremy Irons did it for free and I think they set a great example – AND actually tried to free some poor fuckers from slavery.

    And Mr. Glass. It will get to you eventually. Maybe not the first 160 comments. But sooner or later, when you’ve kept your self awake that extra hour to write another angry comment disguised as self rightiousness, that ulser will start to hurt like a bitch.

    And to all the freeloaders. If you just got your off your asses and gave something back, you’d feel a lot better about yourselves, when you blame those poor greedy loosers who actually got off their asses and sold their souls.

    Or you could all come to Europe and get some free health care and join the Pirate Paty.

    Take care.
    UpurS

    • Nate Glass says:

      All good points. It amazes me that people don’t see sites like Filesonic the same way they view Nike or Apple. In my opinion, both exploit cheap labor from underpriveliged people…one just makes shoes, the other uploads Lady Gaga…but each of them are doing it for about a dollar a day.

      Anyways, UpurS…we’ll see if you are right about it getting to me. I think you are wrong though. I knew going in that to do this job would require me to embrace the villain role. I was going to have a small group of people appreciating my efforts while a much larger group hated me for it. Once you accept that reality, you learn to value the appreciation and disregard the hate. In my case, the hate just amuses me, motivates me and becomes fodder for testimonials to show my clients what it is that I do.

      Doesn’t hurt that I also grew up a pro-wrestling fan and loved the ‘bad guys’…how they could revel in all of Madison Square Garden booing them was amazing. That stuck with me. Anyone who really knows me would tell you I’m a nice guy, but being the anti-piracy guy allows me to be that ‘bad guy’ character. After all, don’t we always want to be the bad guy in the movie? Don’t we all love the Joker much more than Batman?

      Being hated comes with the turf, but it also gives me the chance to convert a few haters. Won’t be a lot, but it does happen occasionally.

      • Troy Mclure says:

        Wow! How! Exciting! are you setting yourself up as some sort of supervillain? I really hope you’re not just some 16 year old kid…

        • Nate Glass says:

          I haven’t been a 16 year old kid for about 20 years now. I’ll let you know when my supervillain lair is completed. We have henchmen and alligator pits and everything. Totally sweet!

  32. anti DMCA says:

    Really do you think I’m going to buy your bad shit, because you attack 3 sites & their owners !?

    Never ever, never.
    I’m greeting you Co. to go rapidly into a default.
    F.Y.

  33. King Shit says:

    I don’t mind. You’re making money just like everyone else. We all have a role to play. Morals aside, piracy is here to stay and why shouldn’t you get crumbs from it? The same way a rat gets a meal out a dumpster. People waste, rats clean up the mess. Rats are an integral part of the ecology. They serve a purpose. You in parallel serve yours.

    You have minorly inconvenienced many people though. See you next month when the next dumpster is full.

    • Nate Glass says:

      People who leech off the hard works of others and create nothing themselves lecturing others about the intricacies of being a parasite. Interesting.

      I could say that cockroaches and intestinal parasites are part of the big picture too, so everything does serve some purpose.

  34. the elephant in the room says:

    the real issue is that people do not realize that this entire piracy issue is being fought the wrong way.

    any sort of regulation is like trying to contain silly putty in your hand. the harder you squeeze, the more will ooze out your fingers. right now the RIAA, MPAA, and the governments only know how to squeeze, mainly because they can go back to their constituents/shareholders and say that this isn’t working so we need to push for stronger laws. i.e. squeeze harder.

    SOPA/PIPA are just examples of that philosophy: poorly written laws that would only have cut off the most inexperienced people from pirated content. removing a site’s DNS listing will not stop anyone who knows the site’s actual IP address, which can be edited into the hosts file in seconds. all the tools are there and ship with every OS on the planet. Regardless if you think the laws were justified, the technical reality is that they wouldn’t have done anything to actually address the problem.

    instead, the problem needs to be fought economically. let’s face it, i’m NOT going to pay 15 bucks to see Hot Tub Time Machine in a theater. The movie just does not interest me all that much. i might watch it on net flix though because the price is low enough. piracy simply has a convenience cost (my time to find a torrent, download it, and then sit through whatever quality thing i actually got, which may or may not work) then again, some movies are so bad they aren’t even worth that.

    an additional factor that concerns me is how people are calculating piracy losses.
    sales 101: you never know the value of sales you never make.
    Piracy is a sale never made, so how are these impressively accurate estimates put out in defence of these stronger laws made?

    Is my refusal to see a bad move just chalked up as piracy when a movie bombs?
    that’s what Tim Sweeny (CEO of epic games) did when Unreal Tournament 3 failed to meet it’s sales goals. Of course he ignored the fact that many people who bought the game said it sucked and was not worth the $50 they were asking for.

    Is voting with our dollars now considered an act of piracy?
    or is it time for the entire structure to go to support a new reality?

    iTunes flourished because it gave the pirates what they wanted. fast easy access to the exact song they wanted, without buying an overpriced album.

    Netflix is flourishing because of the exact same thing. want to watch a B movei, ok now you don’t feel guilty because you payed way to much for the DVD.

    these are 2 examples of companies treating piracy as a competitor and not as a something to be regulated out of existence.
    The gaming industry is embracing that concept with Free To Play games and MMO style subscriptions.

    will piracy ever truly go away? no. because sometimes people will do it to make a point. (A previous commenter brought up about your inflammatory commentary and presentation. Be honest, have you EVER wanted to knock someone down a peg or two because of their attitude? And how do you respond to someone who says you can’t do something. you said yourself it just drives you more) others will desire a product, but will not be willing/able to afford it at any price. but if you treat it as the competitor it is, and out compete them, make it so people will not WANT to pirate as opposed to PREVENTING them from pirating, you will achieve far better results.

    but then again. that’s a hard sell to your constituents, shareholders, and clients.
    better just write another law or DCMA notice and make it look like something is being done.

  35. UpurS says:

    I actually do appreciate your work. The more focus there is on a subject, the bigger the chance of someone taking action and change things. But there is no doubt that the industry needs to change their way of business. The more demanding consumer is not satisfied with mainstream material and because a lot of rare and / or legacy stuff can not be found outside torrenting. Or it is near impossible to get your hands on with taxesand whatnot and everyone wanting a slice.

    But I still think that embracing hate is going to get to you. All other parts of our society has brain washed into thinking that resistance is bad for you. Though it does make us stronger it still divide us from our concept of success.
    I can see it from your business point of view and personaly I have a hard time taking the whiny-kindergarden-types seriously. But I still think they should be heard. One just have to read between their lines.

    I don’t think “piracy” – as you like to call it – is wrong. It is a lesser evil. But the whole sharing concept could easily be made attractive to all parties. But everyone is in defence and dialouge is non-existing. It is like politics :-P

    Anyway, I’m sad that cheggit is closed but I hope that this will spawn something better, more open, more fair to the ones that actually do the actual work or contribute instead of exploiting.

    But, yeah. The Joker is just soo much more badass :-D But I guess he had a rough childhood…

    • Nate Glass says:

      Couldn’t agree more. Right now the dialogue between content creators and content consumers that it seems a compromise is impossible. Plus there’s so much disinformation out there that it makes a real debate nearly impossible. But at least we’re talking about it, so I guess that’s progress.

  36. none says:

    GL taking down TPB

  37. betsy palm says:

    Bah. Get a life, you faggot. Too bad your family wasn’t burned alive during WW2. If there is no piracy this is how it’s going to end up – Some Ablua Halambra from some shithole is gonna charge us 20$ for his film where a spaceship circulates around his dick, which he called “the meaning of life..” i imagine how pissed off i would be if i’d spend 20 bucks on something like that. So just eat shit and die, please.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Classy. Any of my haters want to step up and call this person out?

      *silence*

      Bueller? Bueller?

      • ferris says:

        Coulda replied to any post really: pathetic trying the ‘classy’ line.
        You are basically admitting you’ll do anything for money. Like the SonderKommando in Auschwitz. There’s class.

        • Nate Glass says:

          Yes…I’m just like Nazi’s killing Jews. It’s the EXACT SAME.

          How insulting. You bastardizing real crimes against humanity by saying it’s the same as me depriving you of some free porn.

          I’m sorry, but you’re an idiot. And I don’t use that term often.

          • betsy palm says:

            Well it is a crime against the humanity. Nazi’s didn’t see it so, and neither did you. I suppose it’ll take several thousands of hungered aggravated men trying to penetrate every crevice on your body for you to understand that… or you actually like the idea?)))
            The point is – there always was and there will always be piracy. Nothing can stop us!!! Not even lesbians nor Congress!!! Yarrr!!!!

          • Nate Glass says:

            If you can’t stop pirating for just 2 seconds to appreciate lesbians than I pity you more than dislike you. I love lesbians, and lesbians love me.

  38. jrock says:

    to be completely honest, i hope that you, and everyone else who helps to shut down these sites, dies a slow, painful death from cancer. I’ll never know if my wish will come true, but if one day, years from now, a doctor gives you that terrible news, i want you to think about this comment, and how i wished for your death every day. If i am fortunate enough to receive news of your painful demise, i will dance in the streets. I also hope that anonymous destroys your company, preferably on the few days before your death, so that you can realize that your entire pathetic life was in vain. have a great day!

    • Nate Glass says:

      More classy guys. As hate filled as your little speech here is, as someone who has lost family members and friends to cancer, I hope you never have to experience it. I think you need to look inside yourself and think about what you’re saying.

  39. Piggy says:

    Bloody Nazi’s

  40. jok'err says:

    Psssst! Check 4chan! There are pedos and stuff! Hunt some of them instead!

    • Nate Glass says:

      Not my job. I’ve never sent a notice to 4chan because they’ve never been a problem for me. I rather enjoy the funny pics that come outta that place.

      • Lulzy McLulz says:

        Oh, so you find (free) child porn funny. The Newt Gingrich of anti-piracy, ladies & gents!

        “The rape of children isn’t my problem, violating the copyright of consenting adult sex is.” -Nate Glass

        • Nate Glass says:

          If you know it’s there why aren’t you reporting it? I don’t go around looking for child porn, I’ll defer to your expertise on this matter.

          My job is to deal with sites that engage in the copyright infringement of my clients’ legal sexual material.

  41. FiguteItOut says:

    This is just pathetic. So much time and money being wasted “taking down piracy.” You have to be quite the idiot to think it’s working, since all that ever happens is something goes down and a new thing replaces it. If you can’t beat them, join them, the need here is to offer your stuff up for free and make money off advertising and/or small monthly fee for download access. And a lot of these “piracy sites” offer up a lot of non-copyrighted material where the creators/owners of the original just want to share their creations.
    Please feel free to do your foolish troll thing with nonsensical reasoning comments, I’m just making a statement, not start a conversation.
    (I had a good laugh when I noticed the ‘©’ at the bottom of this site.)

    • Nate Glass says:

      Non-copyrighted materials aren’t my problem and if that’s what was the majority of what was being ‘shared’ then we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. Most of the software I use is open source and freeware to which I have made numerous donations to the people that worked hard to produce them.

  42. Anonymous says:

    You underestimate the importance of piracy. All this media I’ve consumed in the past years has really shaped me as a person. I wouldn’t have been able to afford to purchase even 1/10 of it during my teenage and adolescent years. I do spend money on media, but I simply can’t afford much. Without piracy, I would be a different person. I’d have much less general knowledge of the world, my personality would be different and I’d probably be just another sheep in the flock. Piracy has improved my life dramatically without negatively affecting anyone else, so I have no remorse. All I have is contempt for people such as yourself that try to stop the most beautiful thing there is in the world: free and uncensored sharing of knowledge and creativity so humans can develop themselves further into more intelligent and sophisticated beings. Without piracy, what is there? The things you can afford, and television. the thought alone makes me shudder. Some people can afford plenty, and wouldn’t be affected, but for millions of others, the loss of piracy would mean a serious decrease in the quality of their lives. Maybe not for us existing pirates, because we have tasted the freedom and already reaped many benefits, but definitely for the next generation of young adults that still knows so little about the world.

    • Nate Glass says:

      I understand the mentality of the kid who can’t afford stuff wanting to have the cool stuff. I get that. I grew up poor and I know so many millions of people have it even worse.

      I don’t think you realize how much money is being made by these piracy site owners at the expense of real people’s hard work. The sites so easily manipulate the users into thinking it’s some altruistic plan when in reality, it’s to make them shitloads of money.

      • Frank says:

        That’s garbage and inaccurate. You’re painting all of the filesharing community with the kim dotcom brush. It’s intellectually dishonest, which I’m sure you know.

        I don’t think folks realize how few of the filesharing sites out there actually operate like this, and if all they get is propaganda from folks like you, no wonder they want to shut down all filesharing. NONE of the private torrent sites I frequent make use of ad revenue. NONE of the owners make money from the sites.

        • Nate Glass says:

          If these private unfunded sites were anywhere close to the majority we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.

          You’re essentially saying…don’t judge 1% of us based upon what the other 99% do.

          • Frank says:

            You’re wrong, pal. Let’s see some evidence for the assertion that 99% of torrent sites are “cash whores” as you put it. I doubt you could show that 99% of torrent sites make any money AT ALL. My anecdotal statistics have 100% of the torrent sites I visit operating this way, and I have quite a few bookmarked. In fact, the only one I can think of that DOESN’T operate on the model I describe is Pirate Bay.

            here’s a post from the main page of one of the torrent sites I visit (key info removed to protect the innocent):

            “SSL Errors Incoming [Resolved]
            2012-02-13 06:26:04
            Due to financial reasons, we are not yet able to renew our SSL certificates. One expired a few days ago, and the other (covers www.****.*** and tracker.****.***) will expire on the 9th of March. It is safe to ignore any warning about the certificates being expired.

            Update: This issue has been resolved, thanks to a generous person.”

            That’s the way most torrent sites operate. Hand to mouth. Asking for donations to simply cover site administration, and often not covering the costs by this method (as in the case above). Not 1% of sites, but the vast majority. The whole premise behind your “mission” with this job is supposedly to stop folks from making money on the backs of others. Perhaps you need to reevaluate. Or stop lying to folks about your motivations, at least.

      • Anonymous says:

        A lot of sites operate on a donation-basis. That’s the only money they make, and without it they can’t exist. It’s like Wikipedia, the users provide the content and the funds to keep it going. Millions of people would be worse off without piracy, and the only people who would be significantly better off without it are currently already stinking rich.

        Media is one of the basic needs that I have. I’m part of the digital generation, my needs are much higher than older generations, it’s time for the industry to adapt and offer a product that caters to my needs for a price I can afford. Like Spotify. If they don’t, then I will pirate it because I *need* it. A man who is starving will steal food. Likewise, entertainment, relaxation and the gathering of knowledge are essential as well.

        • Anonymous says:

          One way to get people to spend more money is to give them more stuff. If I buy a CD for $20, the company makes less money than if I buy 10 CDs for $25. That’s how many subscriptions work. People with a Netflix or Spotify subscription are probably spending more money on movies/music now than ever before, resulting in higher profits overall. Cinemas do the same thing, you can pay $8 for a ticket, or you can pay $20/month for unlimited access. A lot of people who normally rarely go to the movies now take the $20 subscription, because there is a lot of value in it. The cinema makes more money, because their expenses are unrelated to the amount of people visiting a movie. Everybody wins.

          It’s time for the entire world to catch up.

          • Nate Glass says:

            I agree, it’s time for the entire world to cater to the lowest common denominator, the most poor person on the planet. Who cares that businesses want to have the right to do what they want with their own hard work right? People need to bend to your will.

            SMH

        • Nate Glass says:

          I’m so sad that have such an addiction that you feel entitled to trample other people’s rights in order to get your fix. Too bad there’s no online versions of the methadone clinic for you.

  43. George says:

    Nate,

    Thank you for the interesting blog update. Is there a link or list available of all the companies and content producers who hire you? I’d like to pirate their material and then contact them to let them know I did so because they hired a smug pompous ass like you.

    Thanks in advance.

    • Nate Glass says:

      You probably already pirate their works. Honestly if you want to really hurt me, you should do the exact opposite. Then there would be nothing for me to takedown and thus I would lose my clients. Just a thought.

      • George says:

        Nate,

        Thank you for the reply. Actually I don’t pirate anything off the internet right now, haven’t for years.

        But your bragging and douche-strutting about taking down a file-sharing site has inspired me to pirate all sorts of shit. I probably won’t even like the stuff I download; I may not even watch it. I just want the companies that give you money to realize that you have motivated me to pirate their material as a small protest against your maniacal douchebaggery and unprofessional online conduct. Or maybe I’ll skip the pirating part and go straight to the contacting. Just a thought.

        Isn’t there a list of your clients you could post? Again, thanks in advance.

        • Frank says:

          I’d also like a list of clients. I’m always interested in knowing who I should be avoiding. When it comes to music, I buy a lot, but only if they’re not supporting the RIAA or on an RIAA affiliated label. I’d like to have information like this about members of all industries that are blindly swiping at “pirates” so that I can target my spending accordingly.

  44. D says:

    Ok ok, so Cheggit is down. Dead. Gone. Never to return.

    But come on people, you need to get over it. It’s not like there are not thousands of porn sites up right now, all ready and willing to take your hits.

    There are so many free streaming sites on the net that I am slightly surprised that people even keep porn on their hard drives anymore. And yes, before all the haters start kicking off, I did use Cheggit. I uploaded and downloaded with the best of them. Not much, and not often I will admit, but I still did it for a little while.

    I am not saying “hahaha cheggit killed hahaha!” I am saying that in the grand scheme of things, it is not the Universe ending catastrophe that people are making out.

    Is there still free porn on the internet? Yes. Can you all still jerk off to it? Yes. Are there still thousands of sites for genuine amateur uploaders to host their content? Yes. Will there ever be a time where you can’t jump on the net and have access to TBs of free porn to jerk it to for hours at a time? NO.

    People host tracker sites to make money. This is a fact. The people who get shut down, will at some time in the future I am certain, find another way to host a similar site to make more money. Sites like Cheggit go up and down like a hookers panties on payday.

    It is sad that Cheggit is dead. It isn’t the end of the world.

    Now onto Nate.
    Going after Cheggit the moment they tried to comply may have won you a small victory, but in the long term all you have succeeded in doing is pushing more tracker sites further out of your reach.

    You are negatively reinforcing the “comply to die” scenario to every other tracker and torrent site out there, in fact making your “job” more difficult. I stand on the fence as far as file sharing goes. I don’t really like doing it, but sometimes, when things are old and difficult to get hold of conventionally, needs must.

    I believe that by creating this page all you are doing is giving yourself bragging rights, a kind of “look guys, watch me jump over this ravine”. However eventually you will reach a ravine too big to jump, and all your hard earn kudos will amount to nothing. You will end up being the little kid in the playground who had all his lunch money stolen from him.

    Fair play to you for standing up for the little guy. And I mean you no disrespect or ill will. But I do think that rubbing your victory against Cheggit in the faces of the masses is in very bad form.

    No doubt I will now get a thrashing from one, if not both sides of the fence. I care little for the insults and childish name calling. You play with matches your going to get burned some time. Now matter how long your match is.

    • Nate Glass says:

      For years I had trying to get Cheggit to simply comply with my DMCA notices. I had PM’d Chip and p2p…both ignored my requests. This went on for years of them hopping from one host to the next.

      So you’re right…when they wanted to start complying, I simply did the job I’m paid to do – to takedown my client’s content from this site that gives absolutely nothing back to my clients. It’s not my fault there was a mountain of materials to come down, if Cheggit hadn’t been ignoring me for years we could have eased into this or had a civil relationship like I have with several other file sharing sites.

      The striking thing that this all shows is that without pirated content, it was seemingly impossible to maintain the site for Chip. For all the amateur and Lelu content, without the big professional studios, the site can’t exist. I’m sorry that Chip couldn’t do a legal workable site. Maybe now he can take what he learned and do a nice legit site that benefits everyone. Everyone in business has a cost of doing business, if that cost is too great then you have to go into a new business. That’s just basic business.

      • Nate Ass says:

        “So you’re right…when they wanted to start complying, I simply did the job I’m paid to do – to takedown my client’s content from this site that gives absolutely nothing back to my clients. It’s not my fault there was a mountain of materials to come down, if Cheggit hadn’t been ignoring me for years we could have eased into this or had a civil relationship like I have with several other file sharing sites.”

        wtf are you talking about? “Civil” relationship? In your mind the “civil” relationship would result in the same thing as your so-called carpet-bombing. So what’s the point?

        “The striking thing that this all shows is that without pirated content, it was seemingly impossible to maintain the site for Chip. For all the amateur and Lelu content, without the big professional studios, the site can’t exist.”

        And the megaupload takedown didn’t have anything to do with the decision to close the site? Dude, seriously, your ego is way out of control. Step back from the keyboard and take some deep breaths. Reevaluate your position in the universe.

        • Nate Glass says:

          No, the civil relationship is what I have with several other torrent site admins. Many of them have developed backend tools that allow me to remove torrents without the need for a DMCA, thus no carpet-bombing required.

          The civil relationship means I actually talk to these guys and we get along fine. They do their thing, I do mine.

          They don’t ignore me, they don’t ignore DMCAs, they don’t try and jump from host to host to try and evade taking responsibility for their actions.

  45. Charles says:

    Nate my friend, you are wasting your time.
    I understand your gung-ho about stopping piracy. But what is it but an extension of the evolution of media? You can’t stop it. The tighter you squeeze, the more slip through. You may have successfully take down the three top sites, but what did you really do? For every one taken down 10 will pop up in its place. And so forth and so on.

    You’re taking down technological systems that are symptoms of the current Zeitgiest, while ignoring the cause.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Top 3 go down and you’re like “big deal”? I get that according to you there can never be any victory or any progress. I just respectfully disagree. And let’s be clear here…I have never been so naive as to say I could stop all piracy. That’s a straw-man argument I hear over and over again. Attribute something to your opponent that they never said and then argue about it. No one uses my service thinking I can wipe out all piracy because that’s ludicrous. My job is to make it difficult, unprofitable, and less appealing for pirates to enrich themselves off my clients’ hard work. I’m just one of many and admittedly I am a very very very small fish in a very very very big pond. I do my job and I do it well. I tell my clients all the time the things they can do to make piracy a less appealing option for consumers, however it is not my place to force my clients to do anything. They are free to run their businesses however they please, it’ll either work or it won’t.

  46. Michael says:

    YOU CAN’T STOP DATA SHARING!!!

    I WANT.. NO DARE YOU TO TRY AS HARD AS YOU CAN TO TRY AND STOP EVERYONE.

    AS LONG AS I CAN LET MY NEIGHBOR BORROW A CD, AS LONG AS I CANT TELL SECRETS TO MY NEIGHBOR, YOU WILL NEVER BE SUCCESSFUL.

    • Nate Glass says:

      You’re free to tell secrets to your neighbor. I don’t think anyone is trying to stop that Michael. However, you are not free to type in all caps, that is a crime against humanity and simply must be stopped.

  47. T says:

    If I saw you on the street, I’d spit in your face. Go hang yourself.

  48. Blankman says:

    You’ll never stop file sharing but you can make a living trying so I guess more power to you

  49. ben says:

    The true reason your customers waste thier money is because you assume and that makes an ass of u and me. You assume your clients are loosing money because of piracy. I cant speak for the rest of you but thats just not true. If I couldnt download what I wanted i certainly wouldnt go to the cinema. If I actually want to see something so much that Im willing to sit on hard seats paying extortionate rates for my food without even being able to have a drink and a smoke, then I go to the cinema and usually leave feeling let down as nothing today seems origional you can sit there and point to 50 films theyve copied. I do this wether its available to download or not. But the simple fact is, That the mojority of things I download and watch I would never even consider going to the cinema to see. Cinemas are horrible places that rip people off. If I didnt download it I wouldnt watch it at all, Your customers wouldnt make a penny. At the most I might buy the movie when it drops in price from £40 to a more reasonable £5, but I do that anyway even if I have it on my hard drive because Blue rays tend to be better. Fact is available or not to download I certainly wouldnt spend more or buy more. Most people are the same. Doesnt matter if its porn or a movie, if it wasnt available online they would simply do without. I for one have no qualms about watching downloaded content because no one looses out as far as Im concerned because I wouldnt never buy it anyway, and if i did want it Ill buy it either way when its at a respectable price.

    • Alfred Waz says:

      Thats exactly the comment I was going to make… Your crusade could actually *cost* your clients money.

      Why?

      Take music for example. I have downloaded sample tracks from albums, liked what I heard and have bought the album because of it. I wouldn’t have bought the album in the first place but because I was able to help myself to a free sample, bobs your uncle. Kerching. Sale made.

      Films. In most cases where I have downloaded something and I’ve liked it I have gone out and bought it on DVD for little things that the copiers don’t supply, things like extra, BTS, interviews etc.

      TVShows. I’m in the UK. I have a liking for some US TV shows. A lot of them are shown over here, but in most instances the broadcast date here can be weeks, maybe months after they are shown in the US. What cost is it to the US TV production company if I download it and watch it 1 month before its shown over here? The US TV company makes its money from selling it to the UK market so they have made their money *whatever*.

      And as for Porn. It used to be very under-the-counter over here but you could get it if you knew where to go. Its getting more freely available though as we come out of the dark ages but I would never actually buy it from a shop, because there are literally millions of websites where I can get my kicks for free. So, if I am never going to buy their items, what cost is there to the porn production company if I am never going to buy their item *anyway*? They cannot say they are losing money from me because I wouldn’t have bought it in the first place.

      As a poster above says: ”sales 101: you never know the value of sales you never make.”

      Analogy:
      Ever wandered around a food court in the US and been offered samples of the food on offer by a man weilding a bit of orange chicken on a cocktail stick? Yes? And have you eaten it and thought mmm, thats nice, lets buy lunch here? Sale made. But without that little titbit you might not have eaten at that establishment and thus a sale would’ve been lost. For everyone that tastes a sample and buys their lunch there there are probably 50 more that try the sample and move on. The cost of the titbits given away is covered by those that buy their lunch there because of this advertising. Its called ”business”.

  50. Red says:

    Nate, why are you even responding to these people? Not worth your time man.

    • Just Another Perv says:

      Just curious – you say above that “My clients are small businesses and artists who are being hurt by file sharing.” But on the blog post about your 5 millionth takedown, you say the content taken down was “from clients ranging from mainstream movie producers and athletes to video games and entertainment producers. ” Which is it?

      • Nate Glass says:

        Why do you think mainstream movie producers, athletes and video game producers aren’t small businesses?

        So you assume:
        athlete = rich giant corporation
        Video game = multinational wealthy company
        mainstream movie producer = hollywood elite

        ????

        That’s a lot of really terrible assumptions.

        • Just Another Perv says:

          I assume that because mainstream movie production usually costs multiple millions of dollars, athlete’s with content worth making copyright claims on usually make millions a year, and the same for many video game producers. I don’t think viewing such entities as other than “small business” is that terrible an assumption. But I will give you that, if you define “small businesses” by the number of people employed, clients such as those could be called “small businesses.”

          But come on, don’t tell me your statements on the “5 million takedowns” post weren’t meant to puff up the kind of people you work for, and your post here weren’t meant to be “I’m looking out for the little guys.” That’s okay, I understand the nature of business like this.

          And understand that unlike many here, I’m not getting down on you about this (although I think the whole “it’s a mission” thing is rather over-the-top, if you really feel that way). I don’t fault you for doing what you do; it is, after all, the law of the land – and just fwiw, I think DrGonzo’s arguments are idiotic, and the fact he thinks he’s winning is right up there with Charlie Sheen level delusion.

          As for me, for the most part I try to keep my “illegal” activity within what I consider moral – I only download music as a sampler for later purchase; I never download movies; I download a lot of television shows, but never anything I don’t subscribe to (I’ll only download Dexter if I am a Showtime subscriber); I rip DVDs that I rent if I don’t have time to watch them before the due date and delete them after watching; etc.

          Honestly, the only exception to this is porn – I don’t know why, but I just don’t make those same rules. I guess there is just so much free porn available (including legitimate sites) online that I would feel silly buying it. So I can’t get too upset when someone like you gets one of these sites taken down. Now, you go after my favorite television show torrent sites, then I might get irate…

  51. Oliver says:

    I’ve read most of the comments and replies from this thread, and there are many who have come up with valid points for and against piracy. It has certainly helped me see things from different angles.

    There is one thing I’d like to add though, and that is how piracy can help the industry make money (at least from my point of view).

    Like many I suspect, I had little money to spend when I was a student, and right after when looking for jobs. During that time, had I wanted to, I wouldn’t have been able to buy a $20 DVD. Music albums were just as stupidly priced so, no music either. Yet we are all human, and I like my music and watching movies. So I got pirated copies.

    Now here’s the thing: of all the pirated stuff I’ve downloaded (and there is a lot) I estimate that over 95% was not worth it, or simply not to my taste. Most of it got either relegated to an obscure storage folder or deleted on the spot.

    Of the 5% I actually liked, I am now buying the DVDs (either at a brick and mortar store or online) or music etc as I now have the money to spend.

    But if it wasn’t for pirated goods, I would never have bought those movies or music tracks, or games, or I would have bought things that I do not like, thus wasting my money to big corporations (mostly). That is my point. With so much content out there now, more than ever before in human history, with so much choice, there is something for everyone. But how the hell are you going to find what you like amongst all the rest if you have to pay for every single thing??

    That being said, I do agree that websites making money off users by simply “sharing” materials produced by other people without permission, for a fee, are illegal and should be controlled/restrained in a way. Closed down? That might not be the answer. Policed maybe, with a redistribution of the gains to the artists/companies…but closed down? It’s like trying to take one the Hydra with a toothpick. I don’t think it is the answer.

    I think that piracy has a place in that it acts as a filter for all the content out there – well, for me anyways. Will I purchase everything I really like? No. But I will purchase some, and it is doubtful I would have discovered (and thus purchased) most of it at all without the use of those websites.

    There is one thing though; I agree with others that the general tone of your post was grating and annoying, kinda want to make people rebel against your point regardless of how valid it might be. I know that there will be many trolls regardless (that comment about your deceased mother was very inappropriate) but there’s no need to go and create more.

    Cheers from Down Under (where lots of stuff never makes it into our stores)
    Oliver

  52. Kostas says:

    I don’t really care about you, nor about the p2p sites, etc. All I care is that there are people amongst us that are really proud for doing something that is socially unacceptable just for the profit (otherwise you would have one of the most desired jobs).

    The worse is that you take pride of that and you shout to the world that you are actually making money by hurting others, claiming that what you are doing is a “mission”??? Who exactly assigned this mission to you? You are employed by companies just to ensure that their interest will not get hurt; last time I checked this is no mission, this is only a money chase and in your case it seems that you would do anything for that.

    Having said this, I would like to ask you a few things: So, do you teach your children to nail other children? When you are watching movies, your best character is the “rat” ? Do you identify yourself with the executioner? I bet you don’t, so just don’t try to persuade anyone about this “mission”. The mission you are upon, is financed by firms that care about one thing: profit.

    To sum up, it is more than clear to me that money is everything for you, this is why you are so vocal about your achievements, this is why you are after this controversy. In your case it means greater visibility = more money. And this is why what you are doing is immoral and the society rejects it, the way it rejects the characters and behaviors in the questions/examples that I gave you above.

  53. ryan says:

    “try and reestablish”

    No, already done and established.

  54. jrock says:

    I just wanted to come back here one more time and thank you nate for putting my hatemail in your “hall of fame”. I challenge anyone here to try and beat my message. you can read it by going to the tab on the upper right of the page and clicking on “more hate for the sharing is caring crowd”. its too bad i lack the computer skills to fight my own war against anti piracy, so my only option is to send hatemail. I seem to be pretty good at it though. Will you be keeping your site up after youve lost the war on piracy so we can rub it in your face?

  55. BoyFromDownUnder says:

    They changed Copyright Laws to make medicines cheaper. Drug companies are now allowed to make back the cost of development and then a % over that after which anyone can make it. Movie studios on the other hand are allowed to make unlimited amounts of money from their films. They make hundreds of millions of dollars from a movie in the first weekend then continue to rape the people with ridiculously priced DVD sales and then there are the sound track CDs playing songs that didn’t even appear in the movie or if they did played one guitar rift from the song. I’m sorry but how much money is too much money? You and yours would happily have the internet shut down, to prevent the free flow of ideas because as everyone in MPAA knows all the ideas belong to the MPAA. Anyone having a thought is in breach of copyright.

    Lawyers are commercial entities. And like all other commercial entities, they are always looking to expand their business.

    How long before all the YouTube clips get pulled down? Remember the clip of the baby laughing and then getting a shocked look on his face when someone off camera sneezes? What happens when you CCC (Caped Copyright Crusaders) decide that the baby and its mother didn’t have the right to put a video of the walker that the baby was sitting in on YouTube?

    How long before teenage boys start getting these DMCA notices for writing a 100 line love poem that just happens to have one line used in a song to a prospective girlfriend on Facebook?

    This is where you and yours are taking us.

  56. KN says:

    Did anyone fo you read this?

    INTERNETS, 18th of January 2012.
    PRESS RELEASE, FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.

    Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would “do for the eye what the phonograph does for the ear”. He called it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video, he was also the first person to own the copyright to a motion picture.

    Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent. There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them – like Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.

    So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: “stole”) other peoples creative works, without paying for it. They did it in order to make a huge profit. Today, they’re all successful and most of the
    studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the world. Congratulations – it’s all based on being able to re-use other peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other people create.
    If you want to get something released, you have to abide to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing other peoples rules.

    The reason they are always complainting about “pirates” today is simple. We’ve done what they did. We circumvented the rules they created and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people something more efficient. We allow
    people to have direct communication between eachother, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some cases take over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them).
    It’s all based on the fact that we’re competition.
    We’ve proven that their existance in their current form is no longer needed. We’re just better than they are.

    And the funny part is that our rules are very similar to the founding ideas of the USA. We fight for freedom of speech.
    We see all people as equal. We believe that the public, not the elite, should rule the nation. We believe that laws should be created to serve the public, not the rich corporations.

    The Pirate Bay is truly an international community. The team is spread all over the globe – but we’ve stayed out of the USA. We have Swedish roots and a swedish friend said this: The word SOPA means “trash” in Swedish. The word PIPA means “a pipe” in Swedish. This is of course not a coincidence.
    They want to make the internet inte a one way pipe, with them at the top, shoving trash through the pipe down to the rest of us obedient consumers.
    The public opinion on this matter is clear. Ask anyone on the street and you’ll learn that noone wants to be fed with trash. Why the US government want the american people to be fed with trash is beyond our imagination but we hope that you will stop them, before we all drown.

    SOPA can’t do anything to stop TPB. Worst case we’ll change top level domain from our current .org to one of the hundreds of other names that we already also use. In countries where TPB is blocked, China and Saudi Arabia springs to mind, they block hundreds of our domain names. And did it work? Not really.
    To fix the “problem of piracy” one should go to the source of the problem. The entertainment industry say they’re creating “culture” but what they really do is stuff like selling overpriced plushy dolls and making 11 year old girls become anorexic. Either from working in the factories that creates the dolls for basically no salary or by watching movies and tv shows that make them think that they’re fat.

    In the great Sid Meiers computer game Civilization you can build Wonders of the world. One of the most powerful ones is Hollywood. With that you control all culture and media in the world. Rupert Murdoch was happy with MySpace and had no problems with their own piracy until it failed. Now he’s complainting that Google is the biggest source of piracy in the world – because he’s jealous. He wants to retain his mind control over people and clearly you’d get a more honest view of things on Wikipedia and Google than on Fox News.

    Some facts (years, dates) are probably wrong in this press release. The reason is that we can’t access this information when Wikipedia is blacked out. Because of pressure from our failing competitors. We’re sorry for that.

    THE PIRATE BAY, (K)2012

  57. Joso says:

    You won a battle, congrats, but that’s just a small victory : you can’t win the war…you already lost it. Work hard loosing your time, we’re billions across the world & it’s just too late to stop us. Cheers from outside of USA.

  58. Preaching to the Choir says:

    Mr. Glass, assuming you alone really do hold the majority of the responsibility for the “carpet-bombing” in to submission of Cheggit: well done. Everyone participating at Cheggit (well, ok, there actually were some people posting their own homemade videos on rare occasion) was absolutely ripping off people like your clients. There’s really no room for anyone involved to argue that they had any right to access that media without paying for it.

    All that said, however, it seems to me that the vast majority of porn being shared via Cheggit was from a handful of large and very profitable production houses – not “small businesses”. Even still, quite a number of “small businesses” can produce a very healthy sum of money for all they employ. Point being: they had money to take this beyond the level of “small” that you proclaim upon yourself. Therefore, the only reason I can see for them not doing so is that they simply couldn’t justify the effort of expense. The ends simply wouldn’t justify the means.

    Why? Because in the end, the vast majority of people illegally downloading porn (or any other form of non-interactive media for that matter) simply are not and never would have been a paying customer anyway. The porn industry will continue on as usual and make all the money that they’ve always made – no more, no less. In a month or so, the user count on some new or existing file sharing portal will have steadily risen and the beast will continue on. For them to believe that file sharing of their product represents lost revenue would be patently false.

    Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t write all this as a means to confront you personally, Mr. Glass (this is only the internet after all). I write this for your existing and potential clients; much in the same way that I can only assume you wrote what you did in a vain attempt to promote the relevance of what you do to their bottom line.

    To the potential clients of Mr. Glass: Your resources were spent on a service that managed to, at best, disgruntle some people that were illegally consuming your product without gaining any past, present, or future sales revenue because of it. I suppose that might be satisfaction enough for some, of course.

    • Nate Glass says:

      You do realize that porn sells a fantasy right? You realize that right? Trust me, I know the porn companies involved, they are not all ran by ridiculously wealthy individuals. All you know about porn is what porn lets you know about porn. And porn isn’t in the business of selling you the reality, we sell you the fantasy. Come out to the Valley and I’ll show you the real face of porn…none of them are nearly as wealthy as Kim Dotcom.

      And I don’t buy the “i wouldn’t pay for it, so I’m entitled to it for free” argument. That’s bullshit in my honest opinion. If you wouldn’t pay for it….then you don’t get it. You don’t get shit for free just because you don’t have the determination to EARN it and work for it. If you can’t afford it, and you really want it…then you work for it. You EARN it.

  59. Quandri says:

    Nate, I purchase movies and music and the like, but i find what you are doing no better then an ambulance chasing lawyer screaming “you can sue!”. Why do I think like this? because i believe in supporting artists and content I like. Yes on the one hand companies have the right to make money off of their products, i don’t dispute that, but at the same time, as the consumer, we have the right to truly know what we are getting before hand. I will download music and movies on a regular basis before i decide if i want to own it or not. If i like it, then yes, i WILL support the artist or company that distributed the music/movie/game i like. But at the same time, why should someone pay for something they dislike without knowing beforehand if they like it or not? Now granted, music wise you can usually hear little snippits of a sing etc on placed like itunes, but what about movies? all we have is trailers that are designed to do nothing but entice people to watch it no matter how dull or bad the movie itself is.

    Shouldn’t we as the consumer be able to get a refund for something that crappy? or how about trying it out first to see if it ‘fits’ us? You can try on clothing before you buy them, you can test drive a car before you buy one, so why shouldn’t we be able to watch at least a nice chunk of a movie before deciding to buy it?

    Also, while people scream hell about taking money away from artists, that’s complete and utter crap. here, i’ll even give you proof. http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/
    that shows you a breakdown on what a record company gets per cd/song sale compared to the artist. Really? yes i know the music companies spend money on every artist promoting them and such and should get something for doing so, but for an artist to get $0.94 on a $10 album sale while the music company gets over half of the price? come on now, who’s really robbing who?

    This at the base of it for a lot of people isn’t one of not wanting to pay for something. It is about showing their support for only the things they actually like. We are force fed regurgitated crap from the movie and music industry day after day after day, and the only way that a non brainwashed consumer can make their voices heard is by to pay for what they like, and to not pay for things they don’t. These two indusries have free reign on doing whatever they want for content, hell, they are the main backers of the failed sopa bill, and YOU are working for them. You are actively and willingly, not to mention taking apparent glee in your work, working for companies that try to sue 14 year olds for millions of dollars.

    As many have said in the comments to this post, you arn’t stopping anything. look at what happened with napster. Yes, it got shut down, and how many other p2p programs popped up afterwards to fill the gap? Also, look at the ‘tactics’ you use against websites. In your own words you are ‘carpet bombing’ sites with DMCA complaints. You don’t see something wrong with that? If the companies you work for achieve their ‘goals’, then everything you do online will eventually be monitored. Sites that millions of people use will end up being nothing more then those adorable kitty videos you apparently adore. That may be fine for you, but i would like to watch a music video without sitting through a 45 second commercial. Or better yet, they could start putting the videos on their own websites (universal, sony, capital records, etc) and then charge people 99 cents to watch them!

    You have dubbed yourself a crusader, look how well that turned out in the end for the christians. People and websites on the internet are like weeds. For every one you chop down, or ‘carpet bomb’, two spring back. I would much prefer the record and movie companies to put the money they are paying glorified net nannies like yourself into actually trying to produce quality content that people might think is actually WORTH buying.

    as a last parting comment i’ll end off with this.

    Think of things this way, Is watching a shitty movie at a theater worth $18? Is that album you downloaded really worth the artist only getting a pittance while the record company that did virtually nothing to stick it on itunes gets over 50% of the profit? Lets put you in that kind of a situation and see how you enjoy things. Lets take 90% of your pay and give it to someone else. to me, THAT is the truly unfair side of the industry. I do, and will continue to support the artists i like (mainly artists that actually produce and put out their music themselves) instead of tossing another coin in the overflowing piggybank of a company that appears to be more like a school bully stealing some kid with a guitars’ lunch money. oh, and in that metaphor, you are the little bouncey kid that the bullies tell to hold down said artist, and ratting on those that don’t give the bullies money to listen to said artist.

    Rambly and definately not to the point, oh look.. no real point, kinda like what you do.

  60. LctPhl says:

    I’m following this development with a mix of fear and amusement, and most of curiosity.

    Observing the current plans in America (SOPA) as well as Europe (ACTA), to subjugate every aspect of (not only cultural) life under copyright, is indeed frightening. Just as an example, healing most of world’s diseases would already be possible by now, and affordable without difficulty, but the companies owning the copyright on some medical drugs rather let millions of people suffer and die than selling under price or giving away their copyright on the drug.
    Putting all the culture under copyright will make culture itself also a good only rich folks can afford. Sure will help widening the social gap …

    Anyway … this blog seems to be about media priacy. I have two thoughts to add:

    1) Have to admit, I watched movies online before. In a way, I’m thankful for having the chance. The usual experience was, that after 15 minutes in the film I got so bored, that I quitted it right away. Bad for Hollywood, since in a way that’s cheating – albeit it didn’t made me feel too bad: After all, Hollywood and the paid movie reviewers are trying to cheat you too. Anyway I learned from it – mainly, to avoid Hollywood Blockbusters, and a growing dislike of movies in general. (There are some good ones; however, they are usually not shared, and besides – movies I like and want to keep I buy on DVD.)

    2) I think, the main issue with filesharing sites being closed down is pornography. Maybe it doesn’t sound so good, but let’s face it: The main part of the shared files were porn flicks, and this board is probably to the largest extend acting for the porn industry.
    I think, there’s a wrong assumption on the side of the producers: Thinking, that everything that’s not pirated would get paid for. The problem is: The supply of porn content is just unproportionally larger than the demand. Enforcing the copyright would not necessary lead to more sold porn movies – most of us are no wallstreet junkies who can afford throwing their money around so easily. They wouldn’t sell more, or just a tiny percentage.
    More interesting: Porn is a visual drug. Don’t want to start the discussion on cultral decay and morals here, just stating it as a fact.) The disgruntled community largely consists of porn addicts, watching their drug being about getting locked behind the “copyright glass”, out of reach for daily consumption. Most people could never afford paying for all the stuff they are watching (so the dealers won’t make more money). I’m really curious, what would happen, if people like you would really completely succeed; if noone could download their porn fro free, just afford buying one, two DVDs a month and visiting one website … The effect of a drug is based on the constant demand; if you force people to stay “clean” – and that’s what rigid copyright protection will do as a side effect without doubt, simply because we have to choose more carefully what to spend money on – what effect will this have? – Not necessarily the intended (that’s why I mentioned the movie example above.)

    I am really curious; just for the sake of seeing what will happen I hope people like you can get the absolute control. Absolute – it’s necessary. Because without it, it’s just a little way to make some profits for you on the cost of some addicts with swollen balls. Things can only change if the control gets absolute – or vanishes.

    I’ll go and get some popcorn.
    Don’t start the revolution without me. B)

    • Nate Glass says:

      Porn is a drug eh? You’d love the religious crazies here in America because they make the same ridiculous arguments.

      Does no one actually take responsibility for their own actions anymore? Or are we just a greedy, self-indulgent, entitled society who blames everything we do on everyone else.

      Is there a single one of you with the courage to take responsibility for your own actions?

      • LctPhl says:

        As I said, I don’t want to start a moral discussion, just stating a fact. And yes, oc course you are responsible for yourself, be it taking drugs, watching porn, kicking the cat …
        I’m not swinging the moral hammer here; I said, I’m just curious, what would happen. :-)

  61. freedom lover says:

    Guys like nate just get off on hurting others under the color of authority. In communist Cambodia he would stone teachers to death. In nazi Germany he’d be firing up his own barbecue to help roast jews and gays. Lawful isn’t synonymous with ethical, and if he has to defend his actions on legal rather than moral grounds, then he’s already admitted he’s in the wrong.

  62. AE says:

    Welp, guess I’ll just start paying for porn now.

    Ahahaha, not really. You’ve certainly prevented a lot of free downloading of pornography, but you’re a fool if you think that’s going to translate into income for the porn industry.

  63. Bhanche says:

    This is just sad. The anti-pirates (RIIA MPAA) are the greedy people, the pirates are simply having fun, sharing what they enjoy.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Just like drug dealers, car jackers and home invaders…they have fun and share shit….they just don’t make as much money as third-world labor exploiters like Kim Dotcom.

  64. Ed says:

    I want to thank you, Nate. Porn is illegal in my country and P2P sites like cheggit are the only avenues I have to see porn. With effort of good people like you, it’s becoming impossible to waste my time viewing the depravity that is hard core porn. With no porn I can now start to live a pure life. Heaven, here I come!

    • Nate Glass says:

      Why aren’t you taking out your frustration on your country?

      • BoyFromDownUnder says:

        Because in countries like the one he is in standing up to the government likely = a bullet to the brain or a lengthy stay in prison. And don’t even think about being gay. Don’t you read news sites? Are you so wrapped up in this inconsequential facet of the world that you cant spare a few minutes to read about the hundreds and thousands of people fighting oppressive regimes in the likes of Egypt, Libya and now in Syria? Lets not forget China. Speak out against the Chinese Government and your family will be paying for the cost of the 7.62.25mm bullet used to execute you.

        • Nate Glass says:

          Way to just give up. A lot of bravery being shown there. And I think it’s hilarious you calling me inconsequential when your fellow like-minded poster was the one claiming that by me taking away a small fraction of free porn that I was giving more power to oppressive regimes. Brilliant.

  65. I went to cheggit for expanded womens buttholes, where am I supposed to find that now? You have ruined my life and if I don’t have pictures of expanded womens butthole, I have nothing. I hope you are proud boy.

  66. pantelis says:

    dear nate deep inside u know that this “antipirate war” is a LIE…. U just expect to earn more money and that u see that as a holy crusade. What do u think that we are stupid? That we d’ont understand? To use the internet and all its possibilities is OUR RIGHT. We DONT steal. Companies like that u support steal from us every day. U know the law says that plastography is illegal but if u receive a file its the same exactly, it doesnt change so we can download whatever we want and tell the companies to fuck themselves. U can say a lot of things but plz dont say that we are illegal cause u underestimate our brain….. Cheers ( i guess u got a bonus for closing the cheggit…am i right?)

    PS U cant win this war u are few and we are the world. so stop provoking us. At the end if u continue we will stop buying from this companies,,,,

    • Nate Glass says:

      So use the internet and all its possibilites to trade kiddie porn then…I guess that’s YOUR RIGHT correct?

      Saying you have the right to do whatever YOU want, even when it tramples other people’s rights is a complete mockery of rights.

      I hope you enjoy your tyranny of the majority, just pray you don’t ever wind up on the other side when the mobs want to take YOUR rights away simply because they have more numbers than you.

  67. e2012cse says:

    OK, question for you.

    I live in a retarded country where porn is illegal, hence downloading from these sites means no sales are lost to the producers.

    Porn will not be made legal for a few more decades atleast, so legalising it isnt an option.

    Why do you deny me the right to watch porn?

    • Nate Glass says:

      Why aren’t you taking out your frustration on your “retarded country” (your words)? Because you live in a backwards thinking country the rest of us have to dumb down our thinking to your country’s levels? That is crazy. Fight your country, not the people.

      • e2012cse says:

        What I meant to say was, that as a result of you taking down porn, people in countries where porn is banned will be unable to watch porn

        When people cannot satisfy their urges with porn, rapes and violent crime will go up

        YOU will be responsible for the future destruction of property in riots, rapes,murders and deaths of a large no. of people in many countries

        • Nate Glass says:

          What a bunch of bull shit. Take responsibility for your own actions. “My country doesn’t give me porn so I rape people and it’s your fault.”

          I’ ve never read a more cowardly copout than this in all my life. If your country sucks then fight to make your country better, don’t just blame other people and use lame excuses to justify rape and murder.

          Horse shit of the highest order.

  68. e2012cse says:

    So, whats the next step?

    Once you have eradicated porn from the net (remove free sources, noone will pay and the producers parterning with you will shut down), whats the next step?

    Will you stop the flow of uncensored and up to date TV shows to 3rd world countries?

    Or block people living in countries with draconian censorship laws from watching unrated movies?

    • Nate Glass says:

      How about the people in those draconian countries actually fight to make their country better, instead of maintaining the status quo and blaming other people for their own inaction.

      “My country sucks, so instead of doing anything about it, I want to secretly download Seinfeld and let my government maintain a stranglehold over me, while I watch pirated TV from the safety of my couch.”

      Total copout.

      • LctPhl says:

        >>How about the people in those draconian countries actually fight to make their country better, instead of maintaining the status quo and blaming other people for their own inaction.

        :-) After reading this “argument” a few times, I couldn’t help but LoLed. Are you serious? You suggest people to take up the weapons – like maybe in Syria these days – and risk their’s and many other peoples lifes to change their country for the better: “a place, where you finally can PAY for porn”.

        Hahahahahahaha – just great! Yeah, I wonder, if this wouldn’t be the best way dealing with the Taliban too, seriously …

        • Nate Glass says:

          Durrr…taking up weapons is not the only way to fight for your rights in your country. But using that as a self-defeating excuse to just give up…that’s a pretty convenient copout.

          So your solution for making your country better is to just sit back and let your leaders run roughshod all over you while you do nothing but hide in the dark and download Dexter? Killer idea mate…that’ll teach em!

          • LctPhl says:

            No. That was your point! – I think it has nothing to do with each other, the “go make your country better” reply to people complaining about closing the free downloads option is totally ridiculous i.m.h.o.

          • Nate Glass says:

            sarcasm-
            Yeah it’s ridiculous to suggest there’s any ways you can make your country better other than giving you free porn.
            -sarcasm

            You tell me your country absolutely sucks because you can’t get anything worth a damn there. I tell you then you need to work to make your country better. Your response was no, just give us free porn.

            That’s lazy. No one ever accomplished anything that way.

          • LctPhl says:

            Aha, thanks for putting this in sarcasm-brackets, I would have been completely lost …

            >You tell me your country absolutely sucks

            No, this wasn’t me; you should tell your posters better apart.
            I wouldn’t say my country is perfect, but at least things in many regards aren’t as worse as in Iraq, Afghanistan, China or the U.S. …

            I just said, it’s a ridiculous argument, to “encourage” people who are discontent with some aspects of their country – f. e. porn being forbidden to sell (why does is always get back to this?) – to fight for a system liek the one you have to offer, in which money is all that matters – like in the U. S., where it wouldn’t be forbidden to sell most things, but many of them being unaffordable to a growing number of people (and no, I’m not thinking in the first place of porn here – this was just mentioned, as those filesharing pages are mainly probably dealing with this kind of content).

            >Your response was no, just give us free porn.

            This certainly wasn’t my response. – My response would be, that the system you offer certainly wouldn’t be one I’m willing to pick up a fight for.

            >That’s lazy. No one ever accomplished anything that way.

            True! :-) Cheat big! – That’s the way to make it. Then buy the media & the police, and take care protesters, who try to change the system for better and fairer ways, are portraited as criminals. (Wallstreet wisdom)

            /sarcasm on & off

          • Nate Glass says:

            So why don’t you work with others to bring those beloved things to those countries. Where you see dead ends I can guarantee you other people see opportunity.

  69. 0x says:

    These closures you claim to have had a hand in, are on the surface on the web, in which case they are asking to be shut down; whereas the kind of services I run, will NEVER be shut down, I own and maintain the largest deep web file sharing service known, and you won’t find anything about us on your preferred search engine.
    With an IP Pool of over 47,000 IPs constantly shifting based on true random number generators, not even the NSA supercomputer will be able to figure out the sequence of address hopping. You can not and will not manipulate the deep web.

    I take pride in my creation.

  70. Got it says:

    No, its ok now, I found a bunch of other sites to use. Downloading tons of new stuff as we speak. Sites aren’t as nice, bad screens and so on, but they will work!

    No worries, keep on making your money. We all know you don’t have to worry about ever being too effective and putting yourself out of work!

  71. erthwjim says:

    Good thing cam sites will be growing in popularity and then there will be no use for outdated porn companies like the one you support.

  72. erthwjim says:

    Oh wait, nevermind, cam sites like livejasmin and myfreecams already are taking more money from the porn industry than piracy ever could, and those porn stars are wising up to this and starting to migrate over to the cam sites where they realize they can make more money and have more control over their careers than a porn company ever allowed them to have.. And the funny thing, the porn companies are doing this to themselves…. so if the porn industry wants to cling to outdated models of distribution, royalties, and merchandising like the recording industry and motion picture associations, then they to will eventually be extinct…..

    • Nate Glass says:

      Hey guess what????

      I represent cam companies too!

      Mwahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha!

      • erthwjim says:

        and would you be the lawyer that defends them in a court of law when they somehow messed up and weren’t able to show that they were complying with 18 U.S.C. § 2257 and 28 CFR Part 75.?

        • Nate Glass says:

          #1 I’m not a lawyer.

          #2 For a person that seems to hate laws you certainly do like to pick and choose the ones to somehow make you feel warm and fuzzy about being a freeloader.

          I don’t know what 2257 has to do with this, but every studio complies with 2257 and were doing so before 2257 even became a law. Also the purpose of 2257 was to try and put adult producers out of business by overly burdonsome paperwork that wouldn’t actually stop any underage porn because….newsflash…pedophiles don’t keep records and no record keeping law is going to make a pedophile keep records of all the children they’ve raped. But if you want to support radical religious ideologues from the Bush Administration…well….you’re on your own.

          • erthwjim says:

            Somehow your logic is eskew more than mine is. I am referring to torrent sites and cam sites, nowhere in there do I say I hate all laws.

            And 2257 is to put adult producers out of business? What conspiracy theories do you adhere to? And you get on me for picking and choosing laws yet you go and complain about 2257. Pedophiles obviously don’t operate within the confines of the law, but 2257 is to make sure that people that are trying to operate within the law do so and that should a site somehow have someone that is underage, they have the proof that they did everything they were supposed to to make sure the person was of age. How keeping identification of all this could put a studio out of business is beyond me, especially if as you state they were doing it already. The fact that you’re actually trying to say 2257 should not be there speaks lengths about you. So you’re against the government regulating pornography on the internet but you’re ok with them having the DMCA?

          • Nate Glass says:

            http://randazza.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/free-speech-coalition-v-holder-filed-seeking-to-strike-down-18-u-s-c-%C2%A7-2257/

            If you believe 2257 actually keeps a single instance of child pornography from happening you are the biggest dupe in the world. The circumstances that allowed someone like Traci Lords to appear in porn are not prohibited by 2257. There is absolutely nothing to stop an underage performer from using a fake ID, as Lords did. If she did it again today, the result would be the exact same. For someone who thinks the government will overreach with copyright you sure do want the government in your bedroom telling you what is appropriate. Ask your self why mainstream photographers and tons of non-porn related entities are opposed to 2257? Why is that?

            Now since you’re clearly a big fan of overly broad legislation written by sex hating religious nuts, I would ask you to enforce your beloved 2257 on piracy sites. If you’re such a fan of it, then you should want piracy sites to comply as well, right? You’re for shutting down tube sites full of CP right? Or do you give them a free ride because user generated content that happens to be child pornography is just all right in your book?

          • erthwjim says:

            And also I don’t freeload porn, I actually prefer camsites over video pornography and have spent more money than I’d like to admit on said sites. They offer something pornography does not have in either it’s video form or it’s pirated video form, interaction.

          • erthwjim says:

            You misunderstand, I’m using 2257 as an example. You think it’s ok for the government to be involved when it comes to copyrights yet at the same time you have issues when the government becomes involved with something else. DMCA does not reduce copyright infringement, does not restore lost money to the artists, whether they’re musicians, actors or porn stars, it does not do what it’s supposed to do, just like 2257 does not do it’s job, yet just like me, you pick and choose. You yourself have stated your an ex porn star, so obviously you will have a biased view when it comes to a law that applies to the porn industry. You’re against a broad overreaching law like 2257 yet a broad overreaching law like DMCA is somehow different?

            Anyways from what I’ve just been reading, 2257 affects the small players a lot more than the big ones.

            Also most if not all torrent sites, will quickly yank anything that has to do with child pornography. I’m not OK with child pornography no matter where it is.

          • Nate Glass says:

            So you either have to want complete totalitarian control or total anarchy? There’s no in-between eh? So if you don’t want the government involved in copyright then by your logic you don’t want the government involved in anything, thus you want our entire system of law done away with and essentially turn murder legal.

            You guys don’t know the meaning of the word nuance do you? Or even that there is such a thing as compromise, middle ground? Any of these ring a bell?

            DMCA law says absolutely nothing about restoring money to artists, that’s not in the law so to accuse it failure by not meeting a requirement it is not set to is a logical fallacy.

            And when did I state I was an ex-porn star????? What the hell????? What’s going on in your head?

            No piracy site in the world adheres to 2257. Every single one of them says they didn’t produce the content so it doesn’t apply to them. There are entire tube sites full of child pornography who won’t remove content unless you can prove the girl is underage. This is the EXACT opposite of 2257…the EXACT opposite. Do you support that?

          • erthwjim says:

            I assumed when you said this in: “I worked in the adult industry for 12 years” it meant you worked as a porn star. I would guess that based on your reaction to my statement about you being a porn star that you must have done other things in the adult industry. Perhaps a fluffer?

            I am not aware of tubesites that run child pornography, I have no interest in looking for child pornography, my adult entertainment comes from cam sites. Specifically myfreecams, which to an extent allows freeloading, but then that freeloading leads to new members and people taking models into private and group as well as increased tips. Again this is a ubsiness model that works that the rest of the adult industry could learn a lot from. And the income of cam sites keeps growing.

            Again though, for 2257, I was just using it as example, clearly keeping track of employees must be difficult. I am just stating that the government regulating industries is generally not a good thing. I go to the extreme and think that the government should stay out of regulating businesses in general. By regulating and creating laws around businesses, they start being able to choose which businesses fail and which ones succeed. Is there a middle ground, yes, but I don’t think the DMCA is the way to do it. I think it costs the industry more to hire lawyers and people like you to enforce the DMCA than in money they might make if people start buying things because a website shuts down. Like I said, I prefer cam sites and I think the more sites that get shutdown by the industry without that industry being able to offer a viable alternative, the more animosity it will create and in the adult entertainment world the more business I feel will eventually end up on cam sites. So instead of Vivid being a power player, you’ll have adult web empire or streammates being the power players.

          • Nate Glass says:

            Honestly this shows how little you know about the adult industry. Are you aware then when you watch a porn scene there are more people involved than just the female performer and the male performer? You do realize that right? I know no one watches porn for the credits but you do realize that each company employs numerous people who don’t ever appear in front of the screen. You do realize that even with cam sites this is true correct? Do you really understand the difference between what YOU see on the screen and what all goes into making that scene or cam session even possible?

            I think you have a fundamental lack of understanding how the industry works. I don’t expect everyone to get it, so I can’t hold that against you, but just know that regardless of whether it’s a Jenna Haze scene or a cam session, it actually takes a good number of people to make all that possible for you. Those nameless faceless people behind the scenes that you don’t even realize they exist, they are the ones who aren’t working for big bucks, they are middle class people with families who take their kids to soccer practice just like everyone else. And they are the first ones to lose their jobs due to piracy.

            Now with the DMCA…

            You do realize that when I send a DMCA, the government is not involved at all right? You do realize that right? Copyright infringement is mostly a CIVIL manner unless you’re talking massive scale stuff like Kim Dotcom. So if you don’t even want 2 individuals to be able to hash out a difference in legal opinion then you are advocating for a complete wipe of our entire legal system. Welcome to Anarchy. Without the DMCA law, (and you seemingly want NO civil laws either), copyright holders would simply have absolutely zero recourse to enforce their copyright, which is a law established by the Constitution. So you are advocating for stripping content creators of their most valued right, and your beloved MyFreeCams wouldn’t even exist. You are advocating for the abolition of copyright, and don’t deny it because you can’t give people a right and then strip them of any right to actually use and enforce that right…that’s not a right, that’s lip service. So you are a copyright abolitionist…which means you are advocating for stripping a minority of their Constitutional right because you want what they have. That sets a pretty dangerous precedent.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Oh and by the way…there are no royalties or merchandising in porn.

      Nice try though, but your argument is fail.

      • erthwjim says:

        So the porn model doesn’t make more or less money based on how well the video does? Or if they decide to rent it out she doesn’t make residual income off of the rentals? Or when she goes to the adult entertainment expo and sells I don’t know, merchandise with her name on it, she’s not merchandising?

        • Nate Glass says:

          No. The porn model doesn’t make more or less money based on how well the video does. Because the models have already been paid. There are no residuals in porn. Zero. None. Nada. Zilch. Nill. Naught. Goose egg.

          Making $10 off a Polaroid isn’t really merchandising. The girls go to AEE because a studio has already paid them to sign, paid for their travel and paid for their hotel.

          • erthwjim says:

            And you know this because you deal in contract law? Oh wait, that’s right, you said you weren’t a lawyer.

          • Nate Glass says:

            Dude…I worked in the adult industry for 12 years before starting my piracy company. You really have no clue how this industry works do you? Just because you went to a show as a fan you’re now an expert on the inner workings of the adult business? Ummmmm ok.

          • _040_ says:

            I have worked in the adult film industry, and have many friends who currently make a living doing the same. The main reason I got out of the industry? The exploitation of the people who ACTUALLY do the work. So… your actions help the lighting tech get extra cash to feed his family? So… you don’t work for companies that shamelessly reap massive profits while paying their employee’s barely more then minimum wage? Your essentially ineffective hired muscle… a goon in a sense. But, like most goons, you feel the need to justify the wrong you do in this world by waiving flags of justice while simutaneously supporting the exploitation of the very people you claim to be attempting to champion (the people who do the hard work, which does not include the production companies you work for). You say porn sells a fantasy, an idea if you will. So logically the next step would be to prevent people from sharing that fantasy with others (if the fantasy is passed on verbally, lobby to shut down the brain of the “pirate” who is stealing from your clients by freely sharing the “fantasy” they are selling).

            And as far as using the laws of the united states as a moral benchmark, you may want to look at some of the past, and current, laws in place in this country. Since gay marriage is still illegal in most parts of the U.S. you would have us bust in the doors of every same sex couple once it had been established that there was a reasonable chance they may be engaging in “illegal” sex acts (sodomy is still illegal in many areas). Or are you going to champion other wondrous laws like ” not walking a donkey on the left side of the street on Sunday” (still a law in Washington state), or “it is unlawful to engage in sexual relations in between two beds at a motel” (still a law in multiple states in the midwest).

            Bottom line? Your the human characterization of the ” pot calling the kettle black” ideal. You protect the explioters from being exploited, and then have the gall to brag about it online for moral brownie points. Your like the christian that prays for his enemies, no matter what you disguise it as…. your still kinda being a shitty person.

  73. erthwjim says:

    Oh and one more thing, if you haven’t learned from the likes of the RIAA and the MPAA, for every site you shutdown there are hundreds that pop up in it’s place, and if you make it hard for the common internet user to download “pirated” goods (which happen to be copies, they can’t ever be compared to something like a meal where when you consume the product it’s gone) then it will push it back to the underground and then the common user will just communicate with the more tech savvy user and it will be even harder for the industry to find the pirates. And it won’t stop piracy it will just change it’s method of delivery.

  74. Julio says:

    So… at the very least, I’m sure we can all agree Nate earned his payday. I do find the ‘crusader’ attitude funny given that the only reason he’s doing this is for financial gain. I expect the reason he’s crowing so loudly is he’s hoping to drum up further business.

    And when other websites are going to grow to fill the void of cheggit, you know business is going to be good.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Only doing this for financial gain? You mean like the cashwhores uploading to Filesonic and Oron? or making half a million dollars in profit like Ninja Video? Or $175 million like Kim Dotcom? You mean that kinda pursuit of profit?

      Are there ads on The Pirate Bay? What the hell? Is that for profit???? Hmmmmmmmm.

      What you guys will one day realize is that these people you worship that you think are in this “for the love of it”, are actually just dirty capitalists just like everyone else. One day you’ll understand how easily they’ve manipulated your emotions and how you willfully handed over your loyalty to people who could care less about you…all you represent to them is a pageview and an ad sale. Sucks to be you.

      You wanna hate on me because instead of sitting around seeding torrents and mooching off the system, I provide a service. A legitimate business. I understand why so many of you don’t understand how that works because you’re not used to actually dealing with legitimate businesses.

      I don’t have to “drum up business”…I do my job and the customers come to me. That’s what happens when you provide an affordable service with a proven track record of results. You don’t have to “drum up business”, you become secure where you are and the customers come to you.

      But sure…keep uploading to depositfiles.com for $3 a day. I’ll just stay over here being successful and stuff.

      Don’t hate the player, hate the game. No piracy = no job for me.

      • Julio says:

        Obviously I struck a nerve. I never made a judgment call on the job you do, I simply noted that you’re broadcasting your successes in such a way that you sound like some champion of justice — when in actual fact you’re just a champion for a paycheck.

        That’s cool, too. I’m also a champion for a paycheck. I just don’t run a blog about it, antagonize people that aren’t my customer base, and then take screenshots of angry comments that offend/amuse me, then post new rants comprised of those screenshots elsewhere.

        That’s called advertising. And low self esteem.

      • Jack Rabbit says:

        I promise, this isn’t hate mail.

        I do everything I can to help stop SOPA and the numerous similar. I also download like a large population of other people. I do get annoyed at people like yourself who make things difficult for me. But I said this is not hate mail.

        There were some insults thrown your way, and yes you retaliated. That is not childish, that is normal. I do have to agree with someone who said you come off as arrogant and crusaderish. Yes I know that isn’t a word. Point is I do agree with that statement, which makes this harder to take serious, but I want to ask a couple questions. Maybe it is beAlso cause I want to the integrity of you Nate, or maybe just trying to see where you come from.

        First question… went to jail 11 times, standing up for rights.. Any way I can get you to elaborate? Protestings? What rights? Just something. I am very curious.

        Also, you repeatedly disassociate yourself with RIAA and MPAA. What are your thoughts towards these organizations? I happen to know an incident with the RIAA teaming up with Secret Service and raiding a Navy base. That I find to be too much power in an organizations hands. The effort and money could and should be going to more important areas. Education, Homeless, Hunger, Crime, and Education. I cannot stress education enough, but that is another debate entirely.

        I also agree with you, in the last comment I read. Every varying fileshare site, (except one, actually) I have ever been on or even looked at has ads, lots of them. Everyone is in ir for the money. The uploaders earning points, the hosts for the obvious income, the downloaders to save money… it is about the money for everyone. What bothers me is not the question of money, but who’s money rather. Do you think I care at all about the income of the avengers? Yes, they have a multimillion dollar budget that have to earn the money back on, or the movies stop being made. However, how much is Robert Downey Jr or Joss Whedon making, regardless of its success? I can not bring myself to have sympathy for them. Bring down salaries and production costs, charge less, and maybe people in the minimum wage area might actually afford to relax and go see once in a while. However, -insert local show or band here- doesnt want there stuff shared, and you are helping them, I get that. There is no better way to advertise themselves, but it is their perogative.

        Basically, we are on opposite sides of a war. That doesnt make either party wrong, just have different perspectives. What matters really is the motivation and the integrity of the soldier. If I may use a war style metaphor: A soldier who likes carrying a gun a shooting an enemy make make an effective soldier, but he is still a dick. The soldier who murders his enemy with regret, but believes he needs to because he wants his next of kin to have the same or better life than he had is no less or more of a soldier, but is a better person.” Do you, Nate, just like carrying a gun, or do you really believe what you are doing?

        • Nate Glass says:

          Jack,

          Thank you for being candid and honest. It is my job to make it difficult for people like you. It’s nothing personal. I don’t dislike you, I don’t even know you, so my job is just to make it as difficult as possible for you to get my clients works without paying. If you succeed and get them, so be it. At least you know you’re not getting them legally and I did my best to try and steer you towards a legitimate purchase. Mind you it is NOT my job to sell you the materials, nor is it my job to offer them to you at an affordable price. I don’t own the copyrights to movies or music, I’m just hired to do my job.

          I went to jail 11 times while working as an adult video store clerk. I was a victim of a corrupt Dallas, TX police department that wanted to be able to extract money from a completely legal and nice adult video store, all the while paying lip service to religious whackjobs who vote and wanted our store shut down. Our store was very nice and clean, attracted lots of females and couples and people who don’t see sex as this dirty shameful thing. This infuriates the religious right who want to regulate what you can and can not do with your body. I was a naive 19 year old kid and I believed that what I was doing was fighting the good fight, taking the bullet so that other people can have their sexual freedom. In a young dumb and naive way I told myself this is what Larry Flynt would do. Eventually us clerks stood together and fought the city of Dallas for this injustice. I myself eventually had a jury trial where I was put on trial for selling a Max Hardcore movie to an undercover vice officer. Say what you will about Max Hardcore but his movies are perfectly legal, just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean you should take away his constitutional right to show consenting adults having a certain type of sex. Now you guys reading this can insult me all you want about this, call me a sick pervert because I merely worked the cash register, but it’s only going to illustrate how close-minded you are. But fire away!

          I have no love for the MPAA or RIAA. I don’t see their tactics working when it comes to piracy. I will give them credit for being able to at least attempt an organization so large, whether you like everything they do or not, you have to realize how difficult it is to get such a large group of interests to work together on practically anything. However, I think they could do a much better job without all the heavy-handed tactics and without essentially being a constant source of economic stimulus to only one segment of the population – lawyers.

          I understand why you say you feel no sympathy for Robert Downey Jr., and that’s fine. I don’t think Robert Downey Jr. is really asking for it anyway. I think we’re confusing micro economics with macro economics here. You are taking individuals and really just anecdotal evidence and making your case for pirating from certain individuals. While I understand how you came to that decision, I simply disagree with it, which is ok…disagreement is fine. I tend to think big picture and I don’t mind forking over my cash for the Avengers. I hope they make 10 more Avengers movies. Now I understand my financial situation is different than other people’s. The argument I would make is if you don’t feel that AVengers deserves your $12 then that doesn’t just entitle you to see it for free anyway. Then you wait until that movie is on Netflix or HBO or until it is available at a price you feel is fair. I don’t agree with the idea that movie makers should be FORCED to give their content to people who seem to despise them and can entitle themselves to content by just claiming they can’t afford it. If movie makers WANT to lower their price that’s for them to decide, they either meet your demands as a customer or you don’t do business. That’s how business works, but when you can just bypass the negotiations by granting yourself permission to their product, this ruins business. This repeated over and over my millions, in my opinion, ruins macro economics and forces countries to take drastic measures.

          And I absolutely believe in what I’m doing. Here’s the thing. Rewind 15 years and I’m probably no different than my critics on here. Broke ass kid working at a call center trying to get by and largely just scraping by. By an incredibly weird twist of fate I wound up in this crazy adult industry. Now you guys don’t know the people that I know. You have the stereotypical image of the sleazy porn producer and that’s how you think everyone is. What you don’t realize is that through this crazy journey I’ve met single moms, family men, great friends, honest and hardworking people, people who have risked their entire livelihoods to fight for your rights to free expression, people who have rewarded me for working hard and doing an honest job. Now I’m sure that even though some of you like to profess your love of Cheggit, you’ll also come in here and insult the adult industry with the same insane attacks that religious dictators use, but think for a minute about what you are saying. This industry hasn’t always been good to me, what job always is? But for a kid who grew up dirt poor in a trailer where my mom was trying to raise 3 kids on a waitress salary to work my way up and earn everything I have…well…I’ve probably overachieved by a factor of 100. But that’s what hard work can do for you.

          • Jack Rabbit says:

            “Jack,

            Thank you for being candid and honest. It is my job to make it difficult for people like you. It’s nothing personal. I don’t dislike you, I don’t even know you, so my job is just to make it as difficult as possible for you to get my clients works without paying. If you succeed and get them, so be it. ”

            This is what I like to see. Ackowledgment without judgement. Believe it or not, I do see your side of things. Im not ignorant, just “the bad guy” lol. I also understand the need to fight against piracy and such. What bothers me often is the tactics, and the assumptions. I am not going to list a lot of examples or argue, as we both have our own sides, but I will mention something like SOPA and similar, masquerading as anti piracy bills, when they really go much further than that. Thanks for your response, Nate.

            PS. I dont actually believe in the sleazy porn director archetype. At least not for any legitemate, legal studio.

      • erthwjim says:

        Yes but Crony Capitalism allows the entertainment industry to make as much profit as they do. I think the capitalism found in sites like ninja or the pirate bay is not the same as the stuff found in the entertainment industry. The entertainment industry tries to write the laws (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/DMCA/etc) whereas the pirate bay and similar sites are driven by what they offer. Now granted it is someone else’s product, but in capitalism the entertainment industry would try to attract the customers back, like Valve has been able to do to some extent with Steam in the video game industry. Valve offered something that piracy could not, and because of that they’ve even been able to get a large number of people paying for games in Russia, a country known for it’s rampant piracy. So where’s the porn industries Valve? Where are the innovators that can bring back customers? I’d say webcam sites get close to it, they offer something piracy can’t, live human interaction.

        • Nate Glass says:

          So you like dirty capitalism when it’s your buddies, just not when it’s other people. Gotcha.

          You don’t mind profiting off of other people’s works, just as long as they are really good at it. Gotcha.

          Noted.

          • erthwjim says:

            I didn’t say that, I’m just saying you’re as much as a hypocrite as I am, specifically in the argument you made bringing in capitalism.

          • erthwjim says:

            Also I’d rather hear some sort of comment in response to my statement about Steam.

          • erthwjim says:

            Still awaiting comment about Steam, an actual valid alternative to piracy, that actually even shows that people aren’t freeloaders and will pay given the right type of alternative, showing that this is a service problem. Something that the valve CEO has actually stated himself.

            http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090219/1124433835.shtml

          • Nate Glass says:

            I think STEAM is great. Are you expecting me to only support one method of curtailing piracy? Because if you’ve read or listened to any interview with me, I’ve stressed over and over the issues that lead people to pirate, things that are within the control of content creators.

            Now, please tell me why there are 1343 different torrents of Skyrim available? Isn’t it available on STEAM’s platform? One torrent is 2 months old and right now has 7,000+ seeders. Why aren’t those guys using STEAM instead of torrenting it?

          • erthwjim says:

            Sorry he’s not the CEO, he’s the managing director and co-founder of valve.

          • erthwjim says:

            And because of Steam, that number is probably a lot less than it could be. That’s the point, it won’t stop piracy, nothing will, I never indicated it would stop piracy, but at least Steam has made some people move over to actually paying for games. And again, you can’t assume that each of those 7000 torrent is a lost sale, maybe some people would have bought it, but 7000 torrents does not equal 7000 sales.

            Or even beyond steam, there’s the humble indie bundle, something that allows people to name their price, and that not only reduced piracy of said games (reduced not stopped) but it also brought in new customers that might not have otherwise heard of any of those games. I can say I bought the humble indie bundle, and I could have pirated every one of those games.

            To me taking down a torrent site or a link to a specific torrent might cause some people to buy said content, but until companies offer some viable alternative, the numbers won’t dwindle enough to make a difference and to me, the DMCA notices actually add onto the cost of piracy, because now they pay a company like you and the piracy doesn’t go away so there are still “lost” sales… I think the money they spend on your company would be better invested in coming up with ideas like steam or the humble indie bundle or the next netflix or pandora.

          • Nate Glass says:

            How do you know any of the people using STEAM were converted-pirates. You want to trot out your “not every download is a lost sale” rhetoric but then you counter with hypothetical rhetoric that you can’t back up about converted pirates. Any proof that isn’t anecdotal or surveyed?

            Another misconception you have – not every studio sees a download as a lost sale. I surely don’t. Some people are smart enough to see downloads in many facets. One of which is the devaluation of a product, ie. a person sneaking into the movie theatre unpunished makes paying customers feel less fair about them paying.

            But you actually make a great point, although I don’t think you meant to. You illustrated how piracy just raises prices on paying customers. So I assume you are in agreement that piracy results in higher prices for paying customers?

          • erthwjim says:

            Actually on that note, why have they not put porn on netflix? Suggest to the people you know that this would be a good idea.

          • Nate Glass says:

            Don’t you think porn producers would jump on that? Porn used to be on Vudu, until Wal Mart bought it, and then kicked porn off. What you gotta know is that this country is being ran by politicians completely at the mercy of the crazy religious whackjobs, they protest hotels for even offering porn to consenting adults via Pay Per View. They’d go ballistic if Netflix offered porn. That being said there are several great options for streaming video on demand. They just don’t compete with Netflix $10/mth price because most adult releases have such a thin profit margin that it’s difficult to license content for such a small licensing fee when you’re not going to get hardly anything back for it.

  75. Ender says:

    Hi Nate,
    If I had the pertinent credentials I would ask if you were hiring {^_^}. Before I get flamed by leechers, know that I won’t be responding to or even reading your replies so get your jollies off any way you want. I get probably 90% of my media from the internet, and yes I torrent a lot of things that I couldn’t get without a lot of hassle, but I also pay for premium memberships to support media companies that are willing to adopt more affordable new business models like Netflix, iTunes and crunchyroll to name a few. Personally I applaud the efforts of Nate and people like him who have found an effective means of calling attention to piracy issues so that A.) More business owners are exposed to the cost effectiveness of online distribution of their merchandise. B.) There are positive examples available in the media to combat the continuation of unsuccessful and counter productive end-user litigation by entities like the RIAA etc.. C.) To publicly illuminate the fact that our current laws can be effective when properly enforced, reducing the risk of some Orwellian invasion of privacy nightmare masquerading as a Bill being passed by a congress that is increasingly being paid and pressured to protect copyright holders. Finally D.) when enough sites are shut down that it will take hardcore pirates and encrypted networks that require users to actually know how to use their computers for more than a pornbox to get illegal content, more people will be forced to make their own content and put it out for distribution. That’s when we’ll really hurt the bottom line of corporate entities like the MPAA and RIAA. That is when we will really start to see a change in how media is produced and distributed. Does Nate come off as mildly petty, maybe, but how would you sound if you spent years trying to convince people with reason only to be forced into using the big stick of DMCA’s when no one would listen, and spent that entire time vilifying you for efforts. Pirates may draw attention to a deficiency in meeting consumer needs, but when push comes to shove it will be guys like Nate to whom content creators will turn when they finally see that their distribution model is outdated, not the childish and unreasoning flamers and trolls who have to resort to insults to ameliorate their feelings of impotence about a subject they don’t really understand. So thank you Nate, while I’m unlikely to report any sites without remuneration I can appreciate the results that take place in the online community due to the effort you make to protect your clients in a legal and cost effective manner.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Wow. That might be the single most intelligent post anyone has made on this blog, myself included.

      You make some excellent points, and I’m not just saying that because you were complimentary.

      I agree with people when they say distribution models need to be updated.

      I agree with people who hate big brother methods that are misused to punish those who aren’t actually breaking the law.

      I agree with much of what you said. The sad thing is so many people that are pro-piracy are so adamantly pro-piracy that they can’t even ever give an inch and it winds up in them supporting such ridiculous ideas. They simply do not understand that not every issue is black and white, you vs them.

      I apologize if I come off as petty. I really do like engaging with you guys and I love the back and forth, but I hope you can understand that I’ve responded to nearly every comment on this page, 99% of which were criticism, hatred, and finger pointing as me being the ‘bad guy’. We’re up to 230 comments on this page. If half of those were my responses, then that means I addressed about 115 accusations, insults, flames, criticisms, good points and whatnot. What other anti-piracy company owner will even spend the time to do that without losing their composure?

      Ender…I just had a meeting today that might interest you. Stay in touch because we might have something in the works that would interest you.

  76. Ender says:

    Thanks for posting my initial response, though I can’t comment about its coherence (mostly it was a caffeine deprived rant, so I’m mostly just glad it was intelligible:-) I’ll be watching the website to see what happens. I personally don’t think you sound petty (I’m accustomed to the frustrations of genuinely trying to help people only to be met with scorn) , but can objectively see where some people might. Unfortunately this issue is dominated primarily by zealots on both sides of the fence, with a raving majority on the pro-piracy side and an equally ravening minority on the pro-litigation and legislation side, when open dialogue would be the more effective starting point to creating an open online environment where media could be distributed at a compromise that would make it both more profitable for artists and less expensive for consumers while being widely available. Thanks for your efforts, I’ll be keeping my eyes open, I just wish more people would do the same.

    • erthwjim says:

      Actually going back to your article..

      ” Myself and the other removal company were literally removing content within minutes of it being posted.”

      How do you verify within minutes that the post was actually something that belonged to one of your clients?

    • erthwjim says:

      Oops ignore that, it should not have been a reply to you. I’ll bring it out to its own thread.

  77. Useless. says:

    You are a useless human being.

  78. erthwjim says:

    Actually going back to your article..

    ” Myself and the other removal company were literally removing content within minutes of it being posted.”

    How do you verify within minutes that the post was actually something that belonged to one of your clients?

    • Nate Glass says:

      I have a complicated process that involves using my eyes and looking at it, among other things. It’s all very technical.

      • erthwjim says:

        So in other words you’re saying you just look at a name and that there is no real guarantee that you’re bringing down something that might belong to your client? In other words you don’t actually download the torrent to watch to make sure it is what it says it is? You’re just assuming?

        • Nate Glass says:

          You clearly do not understand how the law works. Do some homework and get back to me.

          • erthwjim says:

            I’m asking you how you do it? You’re the expert on this, so please educate me, obviously I’m ignorant of the law. I just want to know how a film is verified to belong to one of your clients.

          • erthwjim says:

            Actually it looks like you us an automated program that your company created or had someone create, Aikido. Automated things tend to be problematic and can report false positives, just ask Media Defender and Irdeto Intelligence who I believe have used similar things in the past and have had false positives and because of some of them have gotten bad press. I don’t know how they’re doing now I’d have to look.

          • Nate Glass says:

            I’m sorry…I missed the day you were in my office. You know what I tell you via a press release. We have some level of automation, as does nearly everyone in business. However we draw the line when it comes to sending the final notice.

            Wonder why it is I’m one of about 12 companies in the entire world given preferred status by Google, where you have to have a 100% track record of no errors? Hmmmmmm.

  79. wootnessmatster says:

    Enjoy your little project while it lasts, you have been reported to the FBI and IC3. DDOSing is a federal crime and so is taking vigilante action into your own hands. Idiot.

  80. clay says:

    Try as hard as you want, Nate. You’ll never defeat piracy. Your war is as useless as the war on drugs. There will always be another site. There will always be another way. You can’t stop it.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Then why do I seem to bother everyone so much? For a guy with a useless fight I sure do get a lot of attention from you guys.

      • Nate's Tampon Dispenser says:

        You bother people because you act like a completely arrogant douche.

        You get a lot of attention because not only are you a completely arrogant douche, but also apparently an enormous attention whore. But keep on feeding the trolls like me and then boasting about the troll attention. Maybe it will get you some more business.

  81. Glassjaw says:

    This Nate Glass dudette is a fucking douche.

  82. cockblocker says:

    not counting porn, think about how movies are made; they have product placement in them, they have cross merchandising (this is where the real money actually is by the way), the theaters dont make shit from the movie, they actually make the money from popcorn and drinks.
    Nates fight is only for his financial gain, hollywood has enough ways to get cash. All the sheep pay to see the movies anyway, hollywood still can count on their buck.
    No matter how he tries to spin it, he does this for his job.

    And by the way, if you’re thinking of hiring him, remember, this guy admits to going to jail 11 times. Is that who you want working for you, hollywood probably does.

  83. anon says:

    terrible… i am truly disappointed in your work and ideals. you’re an asshole…

    as others have said… expect us

    • Nate Glass says:

      so lame…you so badly want to be a part of a group that you have no idea how to join

      • Eric in Chicago says:

        OK, that’s the final straw.

        I have to bow down to you, sir. I don’t even know where to begin. You’re logic is top-notch, your jokes are funny and your ability to remain calm in this maelstrom deserves some sort of special award or hardwood plaque.

        If you are ever in Chicago, dinner’s on me.

        • Nate Glass says:

          I do love me some Chicago pizza. However, since I was born in Southern Illinois I am a diehard St. Louis Cardinals fan. If you’re a Cubs fan, I just don’t think it will work out between us. However, if you’re a Sox fan, that’s fine. My uncle lives in Joliet and has season tickets. Dinner’s on you, the game’s on me.

          • Jack Rabbit says:

            I have to agree with Eric. Being from the enemies camp, as a metaphor I used before, I think it could be almost enjoyable to actually discuss both sides of the story at length, without resorting to name calling and accusations.

  84. CANT STOP WONT STOP says:

    I read a lot of the posts so far. I skipped down to the bottom after reading about half of Nates replies to see if he’s got the point yet. Sadly (for his sake) he hasn’t. Anonymous, do your thing.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Why do you need other people to do your work? Do you think Anon cares about your orders?

      • Mr. Papa Giorgio says:

        Nate, congratulations on systematically destroying the free advertising of your clients. Filesharing is the best promotion they ever had, and it’s no coincidence that the shrinking of the porn industry has been a direct effect of the closure of sites such as PTNA, EMP, and now Cheggit. . . .or is that your actual goal? I don’t recall anyone selling copied DVDs on Cheggit, so it would be truly fascinating to learn what it is about Cheggit that has shoved such a burr up your ass. What’s the matter, were you dissed by a Moderator or they wouldn’t let you get all growed up and become an Admin? Since you’re so enthralled with tilting the windmills of copyright protection, why aren’t you doing a goddamned thing to stop the REAL pirates who are hawking illegally copied movies on the streets of Manila and Shanghai? Enjoy your 15 minutes, “Nate Glass.” This whole thing has the strong reek of TEA about it. I truly hope you have political aspirations, as watching your opponents dismantle you as the self-righteous defender of the Porn Industry would be entertainment for the whole family.

  85. yet another anonymous coward says:

    Many thanks for getting the commercial crap off of Cheggit; that boring and bland crap completely lacked imagination.

    But I think you guys went too far — the _good_ content on the site had been uploaded by enthusiasts for enthusiasts and by overwhelming the admins into retirement, you removed the primary distribution channel for _other_ artists.

    You stomped all over the little guys to try to make another buck for the big guys. But they would do better to simply _make better porn_.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Little guys were getting their works infringed as well. How many little guys were putting their stuff up there where they were actually the producers of the materials and owned the copyrights to the material? LeluLove…one person. So in all the history of Cheggit you produced one solitary producer who only posted trailers on there. Trailers that could have been posted in 1000 other places.

  86. some guy says:

    I have to say because of using sites like empornium and cheggit that I have spent alot of money on the porn industry. Because of the videos I download I become fans of the actors/actresses in them. At Exxxotica and AEE they are treated like rockstars. Mobs of people going up to them for pictures and autographs, posters, tshirts, toys, everything. And on occasion I have purchased the movies at the stands because of special features/behind the scenes stuff. You start to follow the stars just like you would a mainstream movie star or music star. And alot of the stars do make royalties on toys, and clothing that they label. I know this after several trips to Exxxotica and talking to them. Exxxotica is always packed and they are not short on funding. I also have attended concerts, bought shirts and other merchandise from bands whose music I downloaded over the years just like many many other people have. Seeing arenas sold out all over the country for a band shows that they’ll do fine even with people downloading their stuff for free. Just my 2 cents

    • Nate Glass says:

      I’ve been going to Exxxotica and been going to AEE since 2005. If you think that’s the adult industry doing well then you must be new to the industry. The show is now about 1/10th the size it was just a few years ago. Did you go to AEE this year? How many studios had booths? 5. A few years back there were probably 40. Fewer booths = fewer girls = fewer fans wanting to go. The show this year looked like a bad indoor flea market. But don’t let that get in the way of your false narrative about how great the biz is doing.

      - Insert user comments about how this is a good thing and doesn’t actually mean the industry is in decline and other insults to reality

      • erthwjim says:

        I think the money is just not in the big studios anymore. I think with the internet, cam companies are taking money that used to go to the rest of the adult industry. I don’t know how much, but I think there is quite a bit of it. I know cam models that get 100 dollar tips on a regular basis. I’ve heard of some guys that have tipped 25k to a model, and that’s just on myfreecams. The models that average around 1000 cam score probably pull in about 600 bucks every 2 weeks, and that’s just their cut. The top models probably pull in 20 thousand a month or more. So before cam sites, where were these guys spending there money? I’m sure some of it was being spent on videos. And I’m only discussing one company, there’s also adultwebempire who runs livejasmin, then there is streammates, cams.com and quite a few other popular cam sites that are pulling in quite a lot of money. And not only do the models bring in money, but some of those sites run affiliate programs, so you have the affiliates making money too. Then there are referral bonuses, so they get money for referring other models and even members, and they Even members sometimes get money for referring other members or models. Then they have contests, miss myfreecams, top69 team, etc. Some sites even have contest among the members (VIP or Top members on LJ) These are the things that reduce piracy. Where is the porn industries answer to this?

        And even extend outside of that, some models run their own sites and give shows on yahoo, skype, etc.

  87. albarit says:

    Hey, spot on man

  88. CANT STOP WONT STOP says:

    tbh theres enough pr0n out there. I’ve downloaded my fair share. I’ll use another site if need be but really, Nate has totally helped me save HDD space.

  89. Doom says:

    This guy is out of his league.
    >says he can take down pirate sites
    >i just visited cheggit
    >The piratebay is still going strong
    >Virtually every pirating site is still going strong
    >this guy fails
    >we profit

    • Nate Glass says:

      Get any good torrents on Cheggit today?

      • Patrick says:

        You know I really feel ignorant of everything going on now. After watching the link to the video further up this page and reading Everything here. the last straw for me was that poor girl crying.

        Makes me lose a little faith in this world that she was hung up to dry by her peers and still stuck up her community. I

        • Patrick says:

          I dont know much on this subject, I much prefer hentai games to torrents on the internet. Ive probably downloaded only 4 in the past nine months nothing major but still not right… But after reading all these arguments and flames; I just cant see how you can Bash Nate with uselessness… Very few people have made a valid argument or defended there addiction properly.

          • Nate Glass says:

            Because to properly defend their addiction requires them to be honest. They have to honestly say the following things:

            1. I like getting everything for free.
            2. I want to abolish copyright.
            a. Which means I want to take a right away from someone else.
            3. I want to make money off of other people’s work and/or heap praise on those who do profit off of other people’s work.

            Until they can man up and be honest, they’ll have a hard time dancing around their weak justifications.

  90. Daemon says:

    Keep up the good work, with enough persistence you will succeed in bringing enough attention to the DoS potential of the DMCA and then maybe they’ll fix the bloody thing.

    Good job punishing those sites that actually try to comply with the DMCA, we don’t need weak willed US based sites. Real innovation happens where copyright law is lax.

  91. dman says:

    I don’t understand the hate directed to Nate he his doing a better job of fighting the industry than the pirates. He is costing them more money and consumers than the pirates.

    Hell if all the pirates went his way instead we would have a new industry in a few years since the current one could not possible work. i fore one applaud Nate

  92. Sami Aaltonen says:

    Not gonna read all the comments, so if someone asked this already, ok.

    “I don’t know what damage you are attributing to me. My clients have rights too. Specific rights given to them in the Constitution, something I would hope you value. I work to protect my clients’ rights. The fact that my clients are outnumbered by those infringing those rights doesn’t nullify the rights themselves. We don’t live in a tyranny of the majority world. ”

    Do you mean clients and their rights like Disney ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamboat_Willie#Copyright_status

    • Nate Glass says:

      Wow…so an anecdotal example nullifies the entire right? You’re a scary sort. I hope you employ your insane logic on everything in your life.

      • Silvio Levy says:

        It’s not an anecdotal example. They changed the law (again) at the bidding of Disney and the like, but the law affects everyone.

        You quoted the Constitution earlier. The Constitution clearly states the purpose of patent/copyright law: it is to foster innovation. How does extending copyright indefinitely foster innovation? Whatever Disney was thinking when he created Steamboat Willie, it wasn’t “Hmm, I just know Congress will still keep this in copyright over 100 years from now, I wouldn’t do it if the law stays as it is now.”

        From the graph at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Copyright_term.svg
        it’s entirely obvious that the purpose of copyright has been perverted into a guaranteed income stream for large corporations rather than an incentive to innovation. It’s clear that the Constitution’s requirement of “limited times” has been flouted over and over again; if “limited times” is to have any meaning, the time cannot be extended retroactively as Congress keeps doing.

        (Yes, I know the Supreme Court has ruled against this view; they also ruled against Dred Scott. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”)

        One other remark. It has been said that Netflix obviates the need for downloading movies, but the experience of watching a downloaded movie with a good viewer such as mplayer, with fine control over rewinding/subtitles/volume etc, all from the keyboard, blows NetFlix viewing out of the water.

        Finally, thanks for having done your part to fight censorship. I can well imagine that being arrested 11 times for doing a job that’s legal and makes people happy was not fun. But that’s Texas for you.

        Best wishes,

        Silvio Levy

        • Nate Glass says:

          Your issues with the Disney thing are valid, however I don’t see how that example can be used as a justification for what is going on today. Even if the copyright term were lowered to 25 years, 10 years, 5 years or 1 year…it wouldn’t change a single thing about the way the filesharing community acts. So I think it’s a bit of a red herring to throw into the issue that doesn’t really change the situation at all.

          I asked filesharers straight up, if copyright were limited to ONE YEAR would you not pirate The Avengers when it came out and would you support legal action against places like The Pirate Bay for offering pirated versions of it. The unanimous responses were that they would still pirate The Avengers and would not support legal action against The Pirate Bay. So the length of copyright, in my opinion, is a separate issue that shouldn’t be invoked to justify people’s continued pilfering of copyrighted works. You want copyright holders to give up the length of the term which is a reasonable request, yet anything they ask for in compromise is shot down as ‘censorship’, and ‘dinosaurs’ and ‘outdated business models’. So it’s no surprise to me that the copyright holders don’t want to negotiate with you, you’re not negotiating in good faith. And I don’t mean you as in you specifically, I mean you as in the opposition.

          I will disagree with you 1000% when it comes to Netflix. I have Netflix on my ps3 so I can stream movies to my HD TV with awesome sound. I have a Netflix enabled blu ray player in my office so I can stream movies in there, and I have netflix on my iPhone so I can watch movies when I’m away from the office on business, not to mention I can go to netflix.com and watch on my PC if i’m not using it for something else. In my opinion that is far superior than having to download an entire movie, watch it on bloated media player software and not be able to easily watch that on my HD TV which isn’t in the same room as my computer. I just think Netflix is far superior to your download and watch on mplayer experience. Also, Netflix has subtitles.

          Thank you for the spirited debate, this is what we need more of. Less name calling and more calm and rational discussion. Thumbs up!

          Nate

          • Silvio Levy says:

            We must be talking about different NetFlixes. The image I get when streaming from Netflix, on a 1M/sec ADSL line, is of far lower quality than playing a DVD on the same computer, or a DVD rip. Also, streaming stops if my router hiccups or the network gets congested. Not to mention the navigation – with your interface, are you really able to go back 5 seconds with one keystroke, to try to understand what was just said, as I routinely do? (I’m not a native English speaker.)

            I do buy content, and would buy more if it were more convenient and the quality of the metadata were better. I listen to classical music almost exclusively. To store a CD onto my computer I type one command and get not just audio files but filenames, lengths, sometimes even notes. Buying the same content from one of the many sites that sell music for downloading is pure hell: every site is different; it takes time to find what I want, even longer to pay for it, and a RIDICULOUS amount of time to find and use the download links after payment — one god damn track at a time! And all I get are obscurely named audio files without metadata, which I then have to organize.
            ***

            Unlike the people whose views you reported in your response, I have no problem with copyright per se, nor with paying for copyrighted content (provided I can actually download the content and use it on any machine).

            The problem is organizations like the MPAA, whose starting point is the belief that copyright law is meant to guarantee them a certain revenue stream, and are willing to destroy the Internet to that end.

            What I’d like to see is content creators, rather than just the distributors, get reasonable royalties. One way to do that would be to tax all downloads, and distribute the money to content creators. If there’s one thing computers are good at it’s keeping track of things, so I can imagine official sites operating much like the current bit torrent trackers, but collecting a small amount per download and channeling, say, a minimum of 90% of it to content creators.

            Silvio Levy

          • Nate Glass says:

            I don’t know where you live and your connection speed but Netflix runs perfectly fine for me. Whether I’m streaming it through my ps3 or even on my iPhone without wifi it’s still great picture with no issues. I can rewind just fine. The iPhone is a bit harder to do since it’s a touch screen but they have a handy “30 sec” button that goes back 30 seconds.

            I’m not a huge music collector. I have quite a bit of stuff I’ve bought from iTunes but I’m pretty content to listen to Pandora for free and Spotify because it gives me stuff I may not have ever heard of.

            I’m all for the creators being rewarded for their works but I’m willing to bet you dinner and a six pack of beer that while many downloaders say they would purchase if that was in place, as long as they can get it for free, they will. There’s just a % out there that wouldn’t financially compensate you if you saved their life. I don’t think creators should have to dumb down their business models to appease those who would never pay in the first place, nor do I think content creators have to sit by and allow the free pilfering of their creations. The commentors on this site may not like it but there’s absolutely no reason why a content creator has to sit back and take infringement over and over again just because a few keyboard protestors claim that free is the new distribution model of choice.

            Make products affordable and convenient to the potential customers, and make life a living hell for the shoplifters. This is the way businesses have been run since the dawn of commerce, the internet is no different.

  93. anonz says:

    I think pirating porn is doing society a service (even at one’s own expense); I am no religious freak or anything of the sort but it seems to me that the porn industry is really one of the most dangerous industry there is.
    The porn industry doesn’t actually need that much money, most shoots are dirtcheap to do; girls AND men tend to be treated badly and have to keep high during the shoot to look like they are having fun. Same shots, same tricks, how many times will we see prolapses? this is the new rage! speaking of which the porn industry is biasing progressively what people expect out of sex; it will indeed soon be the norm to do prolapsing in normal relationships at this rate.
    Women end up feel inadequate because they dont want to do/dont see the point of doing things seen in porn; men end up frustrated.
    Also alot of recent porn plays the racist and shame cards heavily. Small white boy, huge black guy… yeah sure… that makes perfect sense in real life… well yeah it does if like the porn industry you are part of a hidden agenda.

    • anonz says:

      Yes the service made to society by pirating porn is that hopefuly it will drive this industry into the ground and people can rediscover their sexuality without outside/media interference.

    • Nate Glass says:

      George Bush and anti-freedom oppressors love people like you. Feminazi’s would be proud that you are regurgitating their anti-woman untruths.

  94. Brian says:

    OK… I’m confused. You (Nate) have saved the world….

    #1 you did it by mail bombing… illegal and immoral.
    #2 you picked Cheggit… all porn!
    #3 you saved your clients work…on Cheggit…it must be all pornographers.

    Yes, you should be proud!

    • Nate Glass says:

      Mail bombing?

      Who mail bombed?

      You are inferring my carpet-bombing comment to mean that we engaged in anything illegal. Read my full comments…that site’s users were uploading so much copyrighted content that it forced us to send 100s of DMCAs per day. The number of DMCAs we send is based upon the amount of copyrighted content uploaded. So nothing we did was either illegal or immoral.

      I didn’t ‘pick’ Cheggit. Cheggit had 10s of 1000s of our clients copyrighted content there, thus they got noticed. During that same time we didn’t send a single DMCA to NFL.com, starwars.com or drafthouse.com, mainly because those sites didn’t engage in copyright infringement. See how that works? If you infringe, you bring it upon yourself.

      Some of our clients are adult, some aren’t. Just like any bit torrent supporter will tell you, technology is amoral. Our technology is the same. Doesn’t matter what data we put it, the technology doesn’t care, it just processes the data. Just like bit torrent technology does.

      And Yes, I am proud of the hard work we do. :)

  95. Hegarty Fogerty says:

    Tea anyone?

  96. Mike says:

    So even though this thread is mostly just yelling and bitching about this whole anti-piracy stuff, it’s neat to see that the guy being bitched at is still responding, and hes actually keeping a temper in check. But you know, you complaning at him like you complain to the bulldozer operator that’s been giving the order to runover your condemned house, it just ain’t gonna do anything. Nate, keep up the good job. Obviously you’re in a field you can do. You don’t seem to be the sleeze ball type, maybe just a bit prideful, but in a basically techy sort of position, any recognition is worth noting with the billions of advances in things daily. As long as no one starts to censor the internet like in China, I’ll be happy.

  97. Mr. Papa Giorgio says:

    So in going over this post about Cheggit and your site, it appears that your only real talent is into harassing people into doing what you want, and collecting a fee for it. You’ve succeeded in getting over 6,000,000 items removed from the internet by those who bought into your cheapjack swill. Congratulations. That’s a feat comparable to trying to bail out the Pacific ocean with a dixie cup.

    You’re not a lawyer, you don’t even list the companies you represent as a certified DMCA agent. Are you even registered as a DMCA agent? Your worst threat is an alleged lawsuit sometime in the future, filed by some shadowy group you refer to as “attorneys you work with.” Which firm? What lawyers? It would have to be a damn big one to have the ability to launch lawsuits virtually anywhere as you claim. Of course, if there really aren’t any lawyers then that means you’re making threats based on apparent authority and lies. (That’s called “fraud” by the way.) I notice in your stats that out of over 6 million succesful file/content removals you don’t hype so much as ONE successful conviction. Surely not EVERYONE submitted to your will. Surely SOMEONE fought back. How many convictions have you gotten? ZERO. None. Zilch. Nada.

    It took the combined forces of the FBI and Interpol to bring MU down, and if they don’t get a conviction Mr. Dotcom is going to sue their collective asses off for everything his lawyers can think of. Little Nate Glass just doesn’t have that kind of Mojo, especially when he has to resort to GoDaddy and WordPress just to get a website online. Yes, you harassed Cheggit into closing and collected your 30 pieces of silver. Good job. So now what are you going to do when 3 more sites pop up to take its place and they retool to block you? Anonymous will swat you like a fly, and I know I won’t be the only one who will enjoy watching it. You’re an oportunist cashing in on forwarding the censorship agenda.

    So Nate, how many convictions have your “lawyers” won? How much money in damages for copyright infringement have they collected for your clients?

    • Nate Glass says:

      Wow…you have so many mistakes in your post, I’ll have to address them one at a time:

      “harassing people into doing what you want”
      No, I file legal notices that most websites comply with under law. There is no harassment involved.

      “That’s a feat comparable to trying to bail out the Pacific ocean with a dixie cup.”
      Then you shouldn’t be even concerned with my company’s efforts.

      “You’re not a lawyer”
      Only factual part of your entire post.

      “you don’t even list the companies you represent as a certified DMCA agent.”
      Why would I? I’m not required to do that. For a group that touts privacy, you seem to only want it for yourself.

      “Are you even registered as a DMCA agent?”
      There is no requirement for any registration for sending DMCAs. Read the law my friend. You only need be authorized to send a DMCA by the copyright holder.

      “Your worst threat is an alleged lawsuit sometime in the future, filed by some shadowy group you refer to as “attorneys you work with.””
      We do not threaten lawsuits. Never have. Since I am not a copyright holder, nor a lawyer, I do not have the authority to threaten with a lawsuit. I cooperate with several attorneys on various matters. They see me as a source of info and as such we have provided data to them for cases against piracy site owners. Note we have never cooperated with a single instance of end-user litigation, and every case we have provided data on has resulted in settlements by the accused who admitted guilt.

      “It would have to be a damn big one to have the ability to launch lawsuits virtually anywhere as you claim.”

      When did I claim this? Attributing something to me that I never said is a pretty great argument for you. Let me try – You said beating newborn kittens is good for humanity…explain yourself!!!!

      “Of course, if there really aren’t any lawyers then that means you’re making threats based on apparent authority and lies. (That’s called “fraud” by the way.)”
      Wow, where to start. First off, I am not making any threats, so you kinda look like a jackass already. I file legal and accurate takedown notices, 99% of which have been complied with. The only fraud here is your ridiculously uninformed mistruths about me.

      “I notice in your stats that out of over 6 million succesful file/content removals you don’t hype so much as ONE successful conviction.”
      Hmmmmm…maybe because we don’t ever go for convictions???? Something I’ve stated over and over again if you took the time to read. We are a removal service, plain and simple. I don’t know how much simply I can state that. Even if we did have some ‘convictions’ as you say, you and your ilk would be on here claiming we coerced a plea, paid off a judge or some other rubbish. Really…making you look foolish is tooooooo easy.

      “Surely not EVERYONE submitted to your will. Surely SOMEONE fought back. How many convictions have you gotten? ZERO. None. Zilch. Nada. “
      99% of the takedown notices we have sent were complied with. We’ve sent over 75,000 takedown notices, and we have had 2 counter claims. One was a person who thought they could counter claim and get away with it. They have since closed their site down when we actually called their bluff. The other was for a video that had since entered the public domain even though the uploader had uploaded it prior to it entering the public domain. We came to an agreement with this person and they are now active in helping us police other content. Again with the convictions, we have not ever pursued any…if you had done any amount of reading you would know this. But how much time did you spend thinking through your attack? ZERO. None. Zilch. Nada.

      “Little Nate Glass just doesn’t have that kind of Mojo, especially when he has to resort to GoDaddy and WordPress just to get a website online.”
      Resort to GoDaddy and WordPress? Why the hell would I care who I register a domain through? Millions of people use GoDaddy, what’s the point of this attack? WordPress is the most used CMS in the world. It’s open source and highly customizable. But now you’re just really reaching. Note, I also had to resort to breathing to continue living…see if you can work that into a pathetic insult.

      “Yes, you harassed Cheggit into closing and collected your 30 pieces of silver. Good job. So now what are you going to do when 3 more sites pop up to take its place and they retool to block you?”
      Oh I dunno…collect 90 pieces of silver maybe?

      “Anonymous will swat you like a fly, and I know I won’t be the only one who will enjoy watching it. You’re an oportunist cashing in on forwarding the censorship agenda.”
      Yeah I’ve been getting these “expect us” threats for like a week now. What you guys don’t realize is that Anonymous isn’t your back up who will do your bidding on demand. You think they give a shit about you being deprived of free porn? You’re talking tough expecting you have back up, eventually you’ll turn around and see that your backup has better things to do.

      “So Nate, how many convictions have your “lawyers” won? How much money in damages for copyright infringement have they collected for your clients?”
      Haha…if you only knew how much they’ve collected. :)

  98. Rob says:

    Nice work … though if you directed your time and effort into doing something for humanity rather than for corporate greed … I could respect you. You are just another gimp working for peanuts for corporate dictators … DIRECTION is what you need my dear man !!

    • Nate Glass says:

      I know you don’t see defending a minorities rights as something for humanity, I respectfully disagree. Not every one believe that majority rules when it comes to stripping people of rights.

  99. Mr. Papa Giorgio (aka The Good Doctor) says:

    Good Lord, Glass, I think I struck a nerve, perhaps even put you in the position of having to EXPLAIN yourself, which is never a good position in which to find one’s self. As you took such time and effort to reply to me, it would be ungentlemanly of me not to respond in kind, most especially since you label me a liar while you actually come clean about what it is you actually do, and what authority you really have. Polite DISCOURSE is of course the cornerstone of the great democracy we both profess to defend, so I’d expect nothing less of you, and you should expect nothing less of me. And as you took the time to defend against each point of my argument with your own views, it’s only fitting that I return the favor in kind. For the benefit of those who know me (and many of you know me as “Doc”) we’ll treat this as a platonic dialogue, labeling what each has said:

    Glass:
    Wow…you have so many mistakes in your post, I’ll have to address them one at a time:

    Doc: “harassing people into doing what you want”

    Glass: No, I file legal notices that most websites comply with under law. There is no harassment involved.

    Doc: So being as you’re not the copyright holder, not an attorney, and not the acknowledged legal agent representing these companies you claim to defend, how can anything you allegedly “file” have the force of any law whatsoever? You don’t own the material so you have no legal damage, and you don’t represent those who claim to have the legal damage. There is a little thing in America called “standing,” and in these situations you have none and have given no credentials to so much as complain about anything, let alone “file legal notice.” As you’re wrongfully interfering with file sharing services with no force of law behind you, I’d say labeling what you’re doing as ‘harassment’ is a kind assessment of your damages.

    ***************************************

    Doc: “That’s a feat comparable to trying to bail out the Pacific ocean with a dixie cup.”

    Glass: Then you shouldn’t be even concerned with my company’s efforts.

    Doc: I’m concerned with any individual who is working to curtail the free speech rights of his fellow citizens and works to foster a society of censorship. So yes, I’m concerned with every opportunist like you who profits off the erosion of free speech.

    ***************************************

    Doc: “You’re not a lawyer”

    Glass: Only factual part of your entire post.

    Doc: Thank you for acknowledging this. It wouldn’t be a smart move for you to commit in writing that you are what you actually are not. Filing “legal notices” against 3rd parties when you’re not personally damaged nor are you legally representing a damaged party can put you in a rather nasty fraudulent situation. I might also remind you that filing legal actions for clients when you haven’t passed a bar exam in the jurisdiction where you file your claim can put you in an even nastier situation . . . which of course brings into question whether you’re actually filing “legal notices” or engaging in common harassment for money.

    ***************************************

    Doc: “you don’t even list the companies you represent as a certified DMCA agent.”

    Glass: Why would I? I’m not required to do that. For a group that touts privacy, you seem to only want it for yourself.

    Doc: Why would you? I’d say that the strength of your “legal notices” would depend entirely on you being a legal agent of the companies you’re acting to defend. Perhaps you might want to pick up a primer on the Law of Agency sometime . . . in cases of “apparent authority” where the damaged party relied upon the claims of the agent, the agent (you, Mr. Glass) can be sued by both the party you damaged as well as the company you wrongfully claim to represent. That’s a hell of a position to be in. Besides, in the business you have chosen your credibility is the only thing that gives you legitimate strength . . . without it, you’re just another con-man making money on the internet.

    **************************************

    Doc: “Are you even registered as a DMCA agent?”

    Glass: There is no requirement for any registration for sending DMCAs. Read the law my friend. You only need be authorized to send a DMCA by the copyright holder.

    Doc: I could listen to you for hours. See above. If you don’t have something on paper that you’re a legally-authorized agent of the companies you claim to represent, then you’re a bigger fool than I first thought. Again, you can be sued by the people/companies you damage, and sued by the companies you fraudulently claim to represent. For no other reason than your own protection you should list the companies you represent . . . as you don’t, you have no proof of any authority to harass anyone over copyrighted material you do not personally own. If you’re legitimate, you would have already listed who you represent.

    **************************************

    Doc: “Your worst threat is an alleged lawsuit sometime in the future, filed by some shadowy group you refer to as “attorneys you work with.”

    Glass: We do not threaten lawsuits. Never have. Since I am not a copyright holder, nor a lawyer, I do not have the authority to threaten with a lawsuit. I cooperate with several attorneys on various matters. They see me as a source of info and as such we have provided data to them for cases against piracy site owners. Note we have never cooperated with a single instance of end-user litigation, and every case we have provided data on has resulted in settlements by the accused who admitted guilt.

    Doc: That’s pretty weak Nate, and you do in fact threaten lawsuits as that’s the only thing you can threaten . . . or perhaps you should re-read what you wrote about $150,000 penalties if “offending parties” do not heed your notice. As you are not a copyright holder, nor a lawyer, nor an apparent authorized agent of the companies you claim to represent, you have no authority to issue any legal notice (not to mention a full-blown lawsuit) whatsoever. So what exactly do you bill your clients for? Are you a paid mouth and nothing more if you’ve “never co-operated with a single instance of end-user litigation”? Surely if you even provided data that led to an out of court settlement, that would give you the teeth to back up your “legal notices” and you don’t provide evidence of so much as $1 of recovery for your “clients.” Hell, that would just be smart business on your part to prove you can get things done. In the final analysis, if you’re not a copyright owner, and not representing copyright owners, and taking actions to control copyrighted materials you have no interest in, then YOU are infringing on copyright as you have no legal authority whatsoever as to its use or non-use. Damn son, I would not want to be in your shoes when the shitrain starts to fall on you.

    ***************************************

    Doc: “It would have to be a damn big one to have the ability to launch lawsuits virtually anywhere as you claim.”

    Glass: When did I claim this? Attributing something to me that I never said is a pretty great argument for you. Let me try – You said beating newborn kittens is good for humanity…explain yourself!!!!

    Doc: If you’re not threatening to launch lawsuits yourself, or by proxy through the lawyers you “cooperate with” then what the hell is the purpose of your “legal notices” if not to just harrass? It appears I struck another nerve. You do realize that since you’re not a lawyer, you’ve provided no evidence of being a legal agent for the companies you claim to represent, and you do not personally own the copyrighted material in question, that unless the actual copyright owner AND the so-called “infringer” is located anywhere outside the state you live in (which is apparently California), that you’d need lawyers who could file in Federal Court or have the ability to pursue lawsuits internationally? That’s one colossal can of worms, son, even if you were an attorney. I’ll be blunt, when you file a “legal notice” you are threatening to take legal action. If you are unable to take legal action to back up your notice then you are committing fraud. Hell, Cheggit should sue your ass.

    ***************************************

    Doc: “Of course, if there really aren’t any lawyers then that means you’re making threats based on apparent authority and lies. (That’s called “fraud” by the way.)”

    Glass: Wow, where to start. First off, I am not making any threats, so you kinda look like a jackass already. I file legal and accurate takedown notices, 99% of which have been complied with. The only fraud here is your ridiculously uninformed mistruths about me.

    Doc: You’re wavering yet again, Nate. If your “legal notices” aren’t threats, then why the hell are your “clients” paying you to make them? As you’ve given no proof whatsoever that you have the legal authority to represent these copyright holders, the most you can do is “suggest” that a site take down material that you believe it doesn’t own. Anyone who has read your site is well aware that your entire business is that of making threats, and you stating IN WRITING that you don’t is insulting to anyone who has a grasp of the English language. Again, are your notices “legal” if you are not a lawyer, not a legal agent, and not the copyright holder? We keep coming back to the same issue: you have no standing to do what your doing and are providing no evidence to the contrary.

    ***************************************

    Doc: “I notice in your stats that out of over 6 million succesful file/content removals you don’t hype so much as ONE successful conviction.”

    Glass: Hmmmmm…maybe because we don’t ever go for convictions???? Something I’ve stated over and over again if you took the time to read. We are a removal service, plain and simple. I don’t know how much simply I can state that. Even if we did have some ‘convictions’ as you say, you and your ilk would be on here claiming we coerced a plea, paid off a judge or some other rubbish. Really…making you look foolish is tooooooo easy.

    Doc: You’re losing your demeanor there Nate. Again, serving “legal notice” means that you intend legal action should your demands not be met. This is how you present your business, and it’s what you claim to offer to prospective clients. Otherwise, why should anyone remove anything, or close down a website, simply because you say so? You are presenting yourself as someone with authority to take further legal action should your demands not be met, and if you have no intention or ability to do further then you are engaging in fraud and harassment.

    ***************************************

    Doc: “Surely not EVERYONE submitted to your will. Surely SOMEONE fought back. How many convictions have you gotten? ZERO. None. Zilch. Nada. “

    Glass: 99% of the takedown notices we have sent were complied with. We’ve sent over 75,000 takedown notices, and we have had 2 counter claims. One was a person who thought they could counter claim and get away with it. They have since closed their site down when we actually called their bluff. The other was for a video that had since entered the public domain even though the uploader had uploaded it prior to it entering the public domain. We came to an agreement with this person and they are now active in helping us police other content. Again with the convictions, we have not ever pursued any…if you had done any amount of reading you would know this. But how much time did you spend thinking through your attack? ZERO. None. Zilch. Nada.

    Doc: Damn you’re good at proving my arguments against you. 99% took you seriously even though you had no legal backing whatsoever to make the demands you did. And you claim ONE person countered? What did you do to him/her? You already said you have never cooperated with anti-piracy litigation, and you just said that all you do is serve notice (with no evidence of authority to do so) with no intent of doing anything beyond that. So what happened with this one case? That’s a pretty goddamn awful record. Once people are wise to your game you’ll be lucky if you only go to prison for criminal fraud.

    ***************************************

    Doc: “Little Nate Glass just doesn’t have that kind of Mojo, especially when he has to resort to GoDaddy and WordPress just to get a website online.”

    Glass: Resort to GoDaddy and WordPress? Why the hell would I care who I register a domain through? Millions of people use GoDaddy, what’s the point of this attack? WordPress is the most used CMS in the world. It’s open source and highly customizable. But now you’re just really reaching. Note, I also had to resort to breathing to continue living…see if you can work that into a pathetic insult.

    Doc: Anyone with any experience whatsoever with websites knows that GoDaddy is where the noobs go who want to put “mom & dad’s” business online. And anyone who has the technical prowess you claim to have to hunt down copyright offenders would have the MOJO to be able to put a site together without WordPress. Come on, HTML is only a MARKUP languge that code warriors don’t even CONSIDER as being a real languge. So you’re some whiz-kid who can write a program with a snappy Japanese name to use a torrent site’s database against them and you need a friggin’ template to put a webpage up? Sounds like your computer skills are as questionable as your legal knowledge.

    ****************************************

    Doc: “Yes, you harassed Cheggit into closing and collected your 30 pieces of silver. Good job. So now what are you going to do when 3 more sites pop up to take its place and they retool to block you?”

    Glass: Oh I dunno…collect 90 pieces of silver maybe?

    Doc: That’s a pretty big assumption that you’ll have ANY silver after legitimate lawyers sue you for fraud and harassment.

    *****************************************

    Doc: “Anonymous will swat you like a fly, and I know I won’t be the only one who will enjoy watching it. You’re an oportunist cashing in on forwarding the censorship agenda.”

    Glass: Yeah I’ve been getting these “expect us” threats for like a week now. What you guys don’t realize is that Anonymous isn’t your back up who will do your bidding on demand. You think they give a shit about you being deprived of free porn? You’re talking tough expecting you have back up, eventually you’ll turn around and see that your backup has better things to do.

    Doc: Yeah, your little MOJO servers sound like a real threat to them. My agenda is making sniveling little worms like you admit that you’re full of hot air, committing fraud against your clients, and have as much legal authority to issue your “takedown notices” as I do to declare war on China. You proved every point I sought to make: you’re not a lawyer, you’re not a copyright holder, you have no authority to issue legal notices for the companies you have no evidence you represent, and you’re actually conning the people who pay you to do this. So, thank you. You’ve been most cooperative.

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    Doc: “So Nate, how many convictions have your “lawyers” won? How much money in damages for copyright infringement have they collected for your clients?”

    Glass: Haha…if you only knew how much they’ve collected.

    Doc: Yes, from everything you’ve said here it’s apparent that there are no lawyers and the only one making money off this is you. Copying music, movies, artwork, photography, books, etc., turning around and selling copies of it is illegal and morally wrong. No one has ever proven that file-sharing actually injures copyright owners, and to the contrary provides them with one hell of a lot of free promotion. You are an opportunist, preying off of copyright holders and doing them far more damage than file-sharers ever could. So thank you Nate, this has been a pleasant exchange.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Doc: So being as you’re not the copyright holder, not an attorney, and not the acknowledged legal agent representing these companies you claim to defend, how can anything you allegedly “file” have the force of any law whatsoever? You don’t own the material so you have no legal damage, and you don’t represent those who claim to have the legal damage. There is a little thing in America called “standing,” and in these situations you have none and have given no credentials to so much as complain about anything, let alone “file legal notice.” As you’re wrongfully interfering with file sharing services with no force of law behind you, I’d say labeling what you’re doing as ‘harassment’ is a kind assessment of your damages.

      Read the DMCA law. You do not have to be a lawyer, nor do you have to do any sort of registration. I have been authorized by each of my clients and each notice I send includes proof of authorization as well as contact information for my clients in case the receiver wishes to verify. Quit watching episodes of Law & Order and actually read the freaking law in question here. Jesus. Seriously. RTFL

      Doc: I’m concerned with any individual who is working to curtail the free speech rights of his fellow citizens and works to foster a society of censorship. So yes, I’m concerned with every opportunist like you who profits off the erosion of free speech.

      There is no free speech right to infringe copyright. I love free speech too, except I don’t bastardize it by lumping completely ridiculous claims into the “free speech” defense. You don’t have the right to just trample someone’s copyright rights (redundant I suppose).

      Doc: Thank you for acknowledging this. It wouldn’t be a smart move for you to commit in writing that you are what you actually are not. Filing “legal notices” against 3rd parties when you’re not personally damaged nor are you legally representing a damaged party can put you in a rather nasty fraudulent situation. I might also remind you that filing legal actions for clients when you haven’t passed a bar exam in the jurisdiction where you file your claim can put you in an even nastier situation . . . which of course brings into question whether you’re actually filing “legal notices” or engaging in common harassment for money.

      Again….READ THE LAW. You’re going to feel stupid for hanging your hat on this one line of attack over and over again.

      Doc: Why would you? I’d say that the strength of your “legal notices” would depend entirely on you being a legal agent of the companies you’re acting to defend. Perhaps you might want to pick up a primer on the Law of Agency sometime . . . in cases of “apparent authority” where the damaged party relied upon the claims of the agent, the agent (you, Mr. Glass) can be sued by both the party you damaged as well as the company you wrongfully claim to represent. That’s a hell of a position to be in. Besides, in the business you have chosen your credibility is the only thing that gives you legitimate strength . . . without it, you’re just another con-man making money on the internet.

      My god dude, are you going to feel silly when you realize how the DMCA law works. Should I just give you my address to send your apology letter to?

      Doc: I could listen to you for hours. See above. If you don’t have something on paper that you’re a legally-authorized agent of the companies you claim to represent, then you’re a bigger fool than I first thought. Again, you can be sued by the people/companies you damage, and sued by the companies you fraudulently claim to represent. For no other reason than your own protection you should list the companies you represent . . . as you don’t, you have no proof of any authority to harass anyone over copyrighted material you do not personally own. If you’re legitimate, you would have already listed who you represent.

      I’m sorry, I fell asleep. Oh this again, yeah see above.

      Doc: That’s pretty weak Nate, and you do in fact threaten lawsuits as that’s the only thing you can threaten . . . or perhaps you should re-read what you wrote about $150,000 penalties if “offending parties” do not heed your notice. As you are not a copyright holder, nor a lawyer, nor an apparent authorized agent of the companies you claim to represent, you have no authority to issue any legal notice (not to mention a full-blown lawsuit) whatsoever. So what exactly do you bill your clients for? Are you a paid mouth and nothing more if you’ve “never co-operated with a single instance of end-user litigation”? Surely if you even provided data that led to an out of court settlement, that would give you the teeth to back up your “legal notices” and you don’t provide evidence of so much as $1 of recovery for your “clients.” Hell, that would just be smart business on your part to prove you can get things done. In the final analysis, if you’re not a copyright owner, and not representing copyright owners, and taking actions to control copyrighted materials you have no interest in, then YOU are infringing on copyright as you have no legal authority whatsoever as to its use or non-use. Damn son, I would not want to be in your shoes when the shitrain starts to fall on you.

      Most. Tired. Argument. Ever.

      Doc: If you’re not threatening to launch lawsuits yourself, or by proxy through the lawyers you “cooperate with” then what the hell is the purpose of your “legal notices” if not to just harrass? It appears I struck another nerve. You do realize that since you’re not a lawyer, you’ve provided no evidence of being a legal agent for the companies you claim to represent, and you do not personally own the copyrighted material in question, that unless the actual copyright owner AND the so-called “infringer” is located anywhere outside the state you live in (which is apparently California), that you’d need lawyers who could file in Federal Court or have the ability to pursue lawsuits internationally? That’s one colossal can of worms, son, even if you were an attorney. I’ll be blunt, when you file a “legal notice” you are threatening to take legal action. If you are unable to take legal action to back up your notice then you are committing fraud. Hell, Cheggit should sue your ass.

      You are the world’s wost wannabe attorney. Seriously, I’d hire Harvey Birdman in a snap over you. Honestly, do you even know what the DMCA law is?

      Doc: You’re wavering yet again, Nate. If your “legal notices” aren’t threats, then why the hell are your “clients” paying you to make them? As you’ve given no proof whatsoever that you have the legal authority to represent these copyright holders, the most you can do is “suggest” that a site take down material that you believe it doesn’t own. Anyone who has read your site is well aware that your entire business is that of making threats, and you stating IN WRITING that you don’t is insulting to anyone who has a grasp of the English language. Again, are your notices “legal” if you are not a lawyer, not a legal agent, and not the copyright holder? We keep coming back to the same issue: you have no standing to do what your doing and are providing no evidence to the contrary.

      I just can’t anymore. Your failed argument is enough to make me wanna roll down the garage door and hook the hose to the exhaust pipe. Seriously, you are such a terrible adversary that I want to willfully kill myself instead of the impending horror that is another response from you.

      Doc: You’re losing your demeanor there Nate. Again, serving “legal notice” means that you intend legal action should your demands not be met. This is how you present your business, and it’s what you claim to offer to prospective clients. Otherwise, why should anyone remove anything, or close down a website, simply because you say so? You are presenting yourself as someone with authority to take further legal action should your demands not be met, and if you have no intention or ability to do further then you are engaging in fraud and harassment.

      You’re destroying my will to even educate you. It’s not even fun anymore. Can you tag out to a partner who can come up with something better?

      Doc: Damn you’re good at proving my arguments against you. 99% took you seriously even though you had no legal backing whatsoever to make the demands you did. And you claim ONE person countered? What did you do to him/her? You already said you have never cooperated with anti-piracy litigation, and you just said that all you do is serve notice (with no evidence of authority to do so) with no intent of doing anything beyond that. So what happened with this one case? That’s a pretty goddamn awful record. Once people are wise to your game you’ll be lucky if you only go to prison for criminal fraud.

      Dum duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh * YOU SUCK* YOU SUCK *YOU SUCK* YOU SUCK
      Sorry, just trying to make this more entertaining for myself.

      Doc: Anyone with any experience whatsoever with websites knows that GoDaddy is where the noobs go who want to put “mom & dad’s” business online. And anyone who has the technical prowess you claim to have to hunt down copyright offenders would have the MOJO to be able to put a site together without WordPress. Come on, HTML is only a MARKUP languge that code warriors don’t even CONSIDER as being a real languge. So you’re some whiz-kid who can write a program with a snappy Japanese name to use a torrent site’s database against them and you need a friggin’ template to put a webpage up? Sounds like your computer skills are as questionable as your legal knowledge.

      Anyone with the job of hunting down copyright infringement wouldn’t spend a whole lot of time putting together a website so idiots can show how little they know about the DMCA law. But if you think a polished website will make your terrible arguments look better, I will do that for you. Because I care about you, and I want to help you not look quite so horribly uninformed.

      Doc: That’s a pretty big assumption that you’ll have ANY silver after legitimate lawyers sue you for fraud and harassment.

      Oh pretty please let Cheggit sue me for sending a completely legal takedown notice on behalf of my clients who have given me the legal authorization to do so. Please god let that happen. I would love that so so so much.

      Doc: Yeah, your little MOJO servers sound like a real threat to them. My agenda is making sniveling little worms like you admit that you’re full of hot air, committing fraud against your clients, and have as much legal authority to issue your “takedown notices” as I do to declare war on China. You proved every point I sought to make: you’re not a lawyer, you’re not a copyright holder, you have no authority to issue legal notices for the companies you have no evidence you represent, and you’re actually conning the people who pay you to do this. So, thank you. You’ve been most cooperative.

      Clearly that’s your agenda. It’s just too bad your agenda has never included educating yourself. Tell ya what though, once you’ve Caveman Lawyer’ed yourself into bankruptcy, I’ll hire you to come scoop my cat’s litter.

      Doc: Yes, from everything you’ve said here it’s apparent that there are no lawyers and the only one making money off this is you. Copying music, movies, artwork, photography, books, etc., turning around and selling copies of it is illegal and morally wrong. No one has ever proven that file-sharing actually injures copyright owners, and to the contrary provides them with one hell of a lot of free promotion. You are an opportunist, preying off of copyright holders and doing them far more damage than file-sharers ever could. So thank you Nate, this has been a pleasant exchange.

      For a person into the sharing of ideas, clearly you haven’t had very many bright ones shared with you. The world’s oldest file sharing site is right at your fingertips, it’s called a library. Maybe you go spend some time there so you can one day have a freaking clue what you’re talking about. Let me know how that works out for you.

      Flawless Victory

      • Mr. Papa Giorgio (aka The Good Doctor) says:

        Ummmm Nate . . . You still haven’t named so much as a single company you represent . . . or are you just not willing to put it in writing, you know, make it PUBLIC where you could get nailed for libel.

        Res ipsa loquitur

        • Nate Glass says:

          Wait wait…Caveman Lawyer quickly drops his ridiculously uninformed “you’re not authorized” argument and now he’s moved on to Libel. This is hilarious dude. Are we just going to go through the entire civil code until you get around to pulling jaywalking out of your ass too?

          How’s that tall glass of rum Doc? You must have drank a lot before you started posting.

        • Nate Glass says:

          Why do you need me to name my clients…just look back at all your torrents I had removed DrGonzo72. I’m dying for you to tell my clients:
          “Hi my name is DrGonzo72, You see I infringed your copyrights and uploaded torrents of your videos to Cheggit.net, and a guy you hired to remove them…well he did that, he removed them. So I’m just letting you know that I’m not going to upload torrents of your stuff anymore in protest.”

          Might want to move the phone away from your ear so that the laughing on the other end doesn’t deafen you.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Maybe we’ll just call you DrGonzo72. Maybe we’ll look into which torrents you had uploaded that we had removed.

      How come you’re not copy and pasting my replies on your Cheggit thread? What a sad attempt for attention…”look at me Chip! look at what i’m doing! Chip! Chip! Look at me!”

      Hmmmm Doc’s Perfect 10s you say?

  100. DrGonzo72 says:

    Nate, Nate Nate . . . you and I both know I never uploaded any videos, your “clients” or otherwise. So as you’re obviously a member of Cheggit, the bit-torrent site you’re gloating you brought down, why don’t you go ahead and introduce yourself?

    • Nate Glass says:

      “I just went through my torrent posting history and I saw 20 torrents of mine that are marked for deletion that have at least one seeder, several have two seeders, one has four seeders, and one has a seeder and a leecher.”
      “As I mentioned above, 20 of my torrents are marked for deletion even though they’re being seeded.”
      -DrGonzo72

      Better delete those posts, Harvey Birdman could make a decent case against you with incriminating statements like that.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Doc…why you edit your Cheggit profile? What are you scared of mate?

  101. Danny says:

    Hoooooly shit, I read it all, and at the expense of homework too. Oh well, riveting stuff.

    I will, with some hesitation, concede to play by your rules, as outlined this post:

    Because to properly defend their addiction requires them [copyright infringers] to be honest. They have to honestly say the following things:

    1. I like getting everything for free.
    2. I want to abolish copyright.
    a. Which means I want to take a right away from someone else.
    3. I want to make money off of other people’s work and/or heap praise on those who do profit off of other people’s work.

    Until they can man up and be honest, they’ll have a hard time dancing around their weak justifications.

    1. I like getting things for free. Depending on the thing, I occasionally love getting things for free. I’ll tell you why after I’ve finished your impromptu confessional.

    2. I want to abolish copyright,
    a. Which may mean, from one perspective, that I want to “deny rights to someone else,” but I don’t like your premise or what you’re implying. First of all, rights are imaginary. We make them up. Sure, some take comfort in divine providence, but the universe doesn’t mourn or applaud. These rights are a matter of consensus, and consensus among humans is transitory, emotional, messy. By desiring to abolish copyright, I may be throwing a serious wrench in the gears of the current system through which a content creator makes his/her daily bread in exchange for his/her creations, but who ever decided that the utmost returns on services tendered in the form of information had to be financial? Or that the end user has to pony up the cash instead of, say, the government (ie: arts subsidization in Canada and parts of Europe)? Who decided that cash was the highest (or only) form of remuneration? Why has pay-to-access become the conditioned expectation of any content creator?

    3. Despite the above admissions, I do not necessarily want to make money off of other people’s work, nor do I find myself in the habit of heaping praise on those who do profit off of other people’s work. I’m with you on the best tracker being an ad-free and relatively revenue-less tracker, or at least one of modest means, or when comes an influx of capital comes immediate reinvestment in the site, subsidization/patronization of the source of its content, etc. It sounds like this third point of yours almost implicates public libraries in piracy, which I’m sure was far from your intention.

    Here it comes, the diatribe, hold on to something:

    I work in a field in the life sciences where reference material is notoriously scarce, prohibitively expensive, or altogether out of print. According to its foremost scholars, the field is dangerously deficient in both experts and expertise. I have spent hundreds of dollars and hours acquiring a combined digital and paper library of media and information relevant to this field. On an almost daily basis, I see a direct correlation between the extent to which this information is accessible and the rate at which knowledge on the subject spreads, research commences, and the science is thus sustained; if only on the newborn curiosity of a future researcher. The university where I am currently working has, over the past few years, begun to be heavily taxed by its government, to the point where things like cardboard boxes have become a coveted and closely guarded commodity. I’ve read enough of the previous commentary (ie: all of it) to know what comes next:

    “Why aren’t you taking out your frustration on your country?”

    Because demonstrating the intrinsic value of this research with “illicitly” obtained tools will be orders of magnitude more effective in changing policy than asking for money that doesn’t exist to purchase the tools to prove the merit of a field of study that the government neither understands nor has any present desire to. In this case, circumventing payment to content creators is helping to keep alive the very subject matter of the content in question, like

    This is but one example. As a whole, the world is in need of good ideas. A song can be a good idea. So can a film, a book, a wordpress blog full of the rantings and ravings of a generation of filesharers and their opponents, etc. At the risk of being downplayed and marginalized as “utopian,” (to quote an earlier retort,) I want the world to be open source, because the worst case scenario of uninhibited file sharing will not be the end of content. Content existed before every system of commerce. The best case scenario of uninhibited file sharing is global hivemind and the steady enlightenment of the species. In such a world, the locking up of information behind a price tag starts to looks downright feuilletonian.

    That’s right, I made a Hesse reference. Go ahead, bruise me with your righteous sardonicism.

    Suffice it to say, the terms of informational engagement are changing. The response by every industry crying poverty in this age of mass information exchange has been some combination of predation and adaptation. When and where the predatory half of the reaction seeks to “snuff” this global momentum out, it fails… miserably; so miserably as to end up losing ground it hoped to gain by alienating customer bases, which is usually when a latent and frantic burst of adaptation kicks in.

    The world has had, and continues to have, too sweet a taste of the free flow of information to retreat back into the cave of content control from which it so recently and exuberantly emerged. In this new landscape,

    you,

    Nate,

    are a mercenary. A mercenary for the return to darkness,

    charged with arresting a paradigm shift which, whether you acknowledge it or not, is already in full swing, so full a swing that it’s giving rise to new paradigm shifts all the time in endless permutations. Perhaps this is what lies between the lines of the “cockroach” chatter, articulated as petty playground putdowns and death threats. I don’t hate you for it. Quite the contrary. I’m eager to hear what you think.

    PS: the DMCA law needs to see the light of day here. Doc’s points stand until the letter of the law is spelled out for all to see.

    • Nate Glass says:

      So let’s all read section 512 of the DMCA law:
      http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html

      You might want to skip to this section as it relates to DrGonzo72′s comments:

      (3) Elements of notification.—
      (A) To be effective under this subsection, a notification of claimed infringement must be a written communication provided to the designated agent of a service provider that includes substantially the following:
      (i) A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
      (ii) Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site.
      (iii) Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material.
      (iv) Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number, and, if available, an electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted.
      (v) A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.
      (vi) A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

      This is the exact description of the 75,000+ notices we’ve sent out over the course of the last three years.

      Ironically, you don’t have to read the entire 512h section of the law to learn this. You COULD have read the DMCA page on Cheggit.net, where they spelled out the process for sending them a notice. Which was this same exact text as above. Whattayaknow.

      What you won’t find in any reading of the DMCA law is anything saying that that designated agent has to be a lawyer. That’s some shit Doc has pulled outta his ass. Mainly because Doc has no idea what he was talking about, but since he’s seen Season 3 of Law & Order he wanted to play amateur lawyer hour and make a lot of statements that showed he had no actual grasp of the DMCA law. According to Doc, me sending a legitimate notice was somehow libel, harassment and I think he might have claimed it was a crime against humanity. Not sure on that last one. I think he accused me of fishing without a permit too.

      Hey Doc, while you’re reading up on DMCA law, you should read up on the 512-h section. It’s really cool. What it says is that someone like me can file a DMCA 512h subpoena to identify an infringer. So let’s say for example, something like this:
      http://www.javelite.com/showthread.php?t=317446&page=146

      If one of the copyright holders of those images was one of my clients, I could issue a 512h subpoena to Hotfile to turn over account information to me. And guess what? They’d do it in a heartbeat. They’d give me a whole mess of information. The kind of information that one could use to issue another 512h subpoena to an ISP to turn over subscriber information.

      But don’t worry, you’re in the clear. I don’t deal with much JAV. I mean I do know companies that do, I just don’t myself.

      Ok, so there’s a little primer on how the takedown portion of the DMCA and OCILLA laws works. Now that we’ve established that I have every legal right to send takedown notices, you’re going to have to think of another line of attack DrGonzo72. I’ll give you some suggestions if you need help.

  102. Chris says:

    Nate Glass -

    History will show the real reasons as it always does – you will see that what you are doing and what you stand for directly threatens the advancement of the human race. You are what I would call a ‘cunt’ – you have no real idea what you are doing nor do you understand it. You just do because you are paid to do. May you live a miserable life you fucking pig.

  103. Terrance Roll says:

    Awww look at you still playing in the sandbox with all the trolls. Good lord man, can you act any more unprofessional? Can’t believe anyone actually gives you money. Although you probably work for minimum wage so long as you can do it from home wearing cheetos-dusted sweat pants and your pokemon shirt.

    I suppose if content producers are throwing their money away hiring someone to play a pointless game of whack-a-mole, they may as well hire the cheapest hack possible.

    Another business proposition for you: if I give you a couple dollars can you clean out the spam from my email account? *waves dollars* here boy, here boy!

  104. Anonymous says:

    Ok, this is slowly getting serious, but I can’t resist but to ask you one question. Do you really think that you can possibly prevail in this? That you can “destroy” every single sharing, torrent or any kind of “pirate” site? There’s one thing you don’t understand, this is just infrastructure, Cheggit is irrelevant, all thise sites are irrelevant, they can be built faster than you can take them down and in (almost) unlimited numbers. The real threat to you is all of us, freedom-loving people of the world and if kingdoms, empires, dynasties, tyrannies, capitalists, communists, fascists couldn’t take us down what twisted logic makes you believe that you can?
    We are Anonymous,
    We are LEGION,
    We do not forgive,
    We do not forget,
    Expect us!

    P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G39pfrg6SM

    • Nate Glass says:

      We do not support the Cubs,
      We do not like people who don’t put their shopping cart back into the stall,
      We do not think using double negatives is not a bad thing,
      We do not think Forrest Gump was nearly as good as people say it was,
      We do not think there is a demand for The Phantom Menace in 3D,
      We do not think Kobe Bryant was innocent,
      We do not like tomatoes, only products made from tomatoes,
      We do not think the WWE can handle the greatness that is Colt Cabana,
      We do not think enough appreciation is given to the beautiful irony of freeloaders decrying ‘communists’,

      Don’t Expect Us, we’re much too happy doing what we do to bother with you!
      PS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wITs43kUds8

  105. stan says:

    this guy must have no life. hes literally responded to like every message on here, and there are like a thousand posts. At least media pirates go outside every once in a while bro

    • Johnny Rebel says:

      That should give you a clue as to how busy he really is. Give him 10 years and he’ll be the long-lost step-son of Joe the Plumber. Just another jackass loudmouth looking to be paid.

  106. Rex says:

    SOPA?

    Yeah, they’re debating that in Congress JUST for you. By the way, I have some ocean-front property in Wichita I can sell you at ROCK-BOTTOM prices. . . . Interested?

  107. Thomas Payne says:

    The sad fact is that Nate’s work does more damage to the porn industry as a whole than the good it does his few clients. I researched the industry for the Internet industry journal, Industry Standard, when it reached its first heyday during the 90s Boom. It was clear then and its even clearer now that the free distribution of content always boosted the fortunes of the producers by making available samples of work that buyers otherwise would not know about, let alone not buy. Producers build up oevres — bodies of work — that become known by their content and style. As older works accumulate and are noticed, they benefit the sales of the artists’ newer works. And for new producers, the free distribution may detract from immediate sales but have longterm beneficial effects. This is because “pirates” also are buyers and there are even more buyers who are swayed by the “pirates’ hit parade.” This is all factual.

    This of course is the situation only for new releases. Older videos quickly slide off the charts and out of the public consciousness unless someone brings them back for public display. That’s why the industry churns out so much crud: it’s hoping that some will have a half-life longer than two months, but not counting on it. In this sense the industry is as inefficient as it can be and earns its high costs and low net margins. The industry tries to compensate by charging astronomical prices for its wares — little of which gets to the performers or even the directors and crews, by the way, it’s still a sweatshop industry for the most part — and then bitches when people try to acquire its products at reasonable prices, i.e., since there is no reasonably priced product, for free. The industry gives little choice. AEBN and its clones appear to offer an alternative, but their prices, though charged in smaller increments, are even higher per movie.

    Which gets down to the issue, where’s the win-win solution? It sure isn’t Nate’s. He ultimately does his clients more harm than good, even if he doesn’t know it (though I would suspect such ignorance as feigned — everyone knows it). The people pushing for such draconian solutions aren’t his little mom and pop corner porn shops (they’ve already been screwed, no pun intended, by the Internet) or indie producers — they would die for a way of showing their flicks without having to pay intermediates and monopolist distributers for the privilege, a situation that Nate defends by eliminating competition for the monopolists. Note: in a capitalist society like ours where large interests have basically turned every industry into an oligopoly that the dominant player is trying to turn into a monopoly, all of the talk about just rights and Constitutional protections is so much sloganeering bullshit. Citizens United is, according to our pro-corporate US Supreme Court, also Constitutional. So what if it fucks the skull of Democracy? That’s Nate Talk. His ilk have been spouting this for longer than he’s been in business, a mere 13 years. It goes way back, to the $250,000 fine and 20 years in jail for showing a movie without a license, courtesy of MPAA. (By the way, it’s good to see MPAA and its latest stooge, Dodd, take a fall on SOPA and PIPA, even more extreme expressions of national power exerted on behalf of a handful of very rich people.

    There was a time when Good King John had his otherwise loyal subjects, who served in his armies and paid taxes faithfully though they had little for themselves, hung for poaching The King’s Deer. He made the laws, he got to exercise justice with a heavy hand that eventually broke the monarchy. Nate’s actually helping along the demise of the porn industry, so if that’s the industry’s goal, more power to him. If it’s not, it should ostracize him and his self-anointed lawmen, and figure out ways to monetize the fabulous demand for the industry’s product that is going untapped. Do more sharing that comes with a price, like most shareware: try it, like it, buy it, get some bennies (akin to free flights, like Southwest offers), have customers rate and recommend, etc.. Bring consumers into the circle of players as Videoz does, building a community as much as showing flicks, increasing the subscribers’ sense of belonging, ownership, and commitment. Find ways to bundle free with pay, like cable companies do. There are a hundred more satisfying and financially rewarding ways to go about this than brute forcing websites down and just chasing people elsewhere.

    I know, it’s the old story of the two guys chased by the bear. One stops to put on his tennis shoes. The other shouts, “Why, you can’t outrun the bear?” To which the sprinter replies, “I only have to outrun you.” Nate is helping his customers to avoid the tsunami of file-sharing brought on by a small group of monopolistic firms charging super-rents. He helps his handful of small clients to divert the flood elsewhere — so he’s really not helping the industry. He’s helping his clients. The worse it gets for the industry, the better for Nate. He’s not fighting crime, he’s driving up prices for contraband of which he then takes a cut. Basically, he and the porn fat cats like it just the way it is: pure gravy for them, gruel for the smaller producers, and plenty of clever peer-to-peer sharers to cull the crowd of producers by starving them of money. When the industry comes to terms with its potential customer base and provides products, service, and opportunities for its involvement, the Nates of the world will become superfluous, obsolete Wyatt Earps in the digitally networked 22nd Century. The industry and its consumers will be best of friends. The Nates, like the Pinkerton thugs who “defended” the robber barons against their workers, will have to console themselves with memories of better days. Here’s to his retirement, happy or not, sooner rather than later.

  108. the_real_jsz says:

    Nate,

    It’s always easy to identify someone that is themselves a troll: They reply to every single comment trolling them.

    If you want to take the high road (which appears to be your thinly veiled motive) then you should actually be doing your job instead of involving yourself in in petty discussion.

    Finally, as a “professional” which I assume you claim to be, you should act more like an adult and pay attention to (your) work at hand. If you want to be good at what you do, you should not provoke those that assuredly have a lot more time and resources than you. They will gladly commit to making your life uncomfortable and attempt to focus your attention elsewhere.

    Personally, I’ve been pirating content for almost 30 years. As much as you may feel that you are making a dent by shutting down a few torrent sites, you are literally doing nothing for the long-term. Piracy has *always* been a cat and mouse game and it will continue to be as long as there is will, motivation, and freedom. That, Nate, is what we all fight for (it’s also baked into the U.S. Constitution). It’s not going anywhere.

    Thing about this does beg the question: Are you sure you know what you’re doing? Perhaps there are things you could be doing that will actually provide a long-term solution?

    Think about it Nate.

  109. k jacobson says:

    anonymus- you think it’s ok for pirates to sit at their computers & copy books, audiobooks, etc, and sell them on ebay for 25 bucks a pop? They get rich pirating, and that is all they do. Or how about the ones who just send them through email? You agree with that BS? Maybe you’re one of them?

  110. Anonymous says:

    Your futile attempts at fighting the freedom to share information are amusing. No amount of idiots can make the Internet unfree; all you can hope for is to milk some money off gullible fools. Money won’t save you from cancer though.

  111. Crueheads says:

    So Nate, given as you appear to have several Cheggit accounts. How many torrents did you upload/download? I can’t imagine that you’d ever upload files from your clients just to foster your own business. That would be unethical . . .

    • Nate Glass says:

      Actually I only had one cheggit account and I uploaded absolutely nothing. Nice try but FAIL.

      • Crueheads says:

        Interesting, then how was it that you accessed the Cheggit Forum (which of course is only accessible to members) 3 days after the “most recent” login of your NateGlass account? Provocative indeed.

        Win, TOTAL win.

        • Nate Glass says:

          The “NateGlass” account is not mine. I’m much more clever than that, c’mon give me some credit.

          • Crueheads says:

            Naaa it’s not credit you deserve. The attitude of the post you made as NateGlass gives you away . . . as do your various alt accounts.

            I still say, had you been on the other side of the fence we could have been friends. I enjoy your ruthless sense of humor even if your strategy is a bit mis-placed. Never too late to defect my friend.

          • Nate Glass says:

            Honestly, I’m telling you 100% truth…I have but one acct on Cheggit and it is certainly not as lame as “NateGlass”. I’m sure if you guys looked hard enough you could find it. Zero posts, no uploads (although I had an acct at the time of the 10gb ratio gift thing)…shouldn’t be too hard to find me.

  112. Master Bater says:

    Sup…

    We get it man… well some of us. You are just trying to make a living like the rest of us so you can buy cool things and be happy. The hate has nothing to do with that though. We are simply reacting to ‘loss’ which is a normal reaction to change and your ‘hey look at me’ attitude. Anyone that has friends will tell you not to talk yourself up and praise your own accomplishments because it makes you look self centered. Not that you should care what your readers think of course but honestly it is a terrible personality flaw and if it comes through in black and white it is certainly apparent to your friends/family.

    Now onto the next topic. This “Freeloaders will be freeloaders, it’s in their blood…they are repulsed at the idea of rewarding good work, sickened by the thought of contributing to society. Ya know….parasites” is where I stopped reading as I was getting tired of reading all these posts regardless of how funny some of them were.
    I will admit I like getting the best I can for the cheapest I can… unless there is a difference in quality you would be an idiot for paying more. Its common sense. On the other hand when a tablet as thin as an Ipad comes out that is a full windows based computer and wacom drawing tablet in one I drop 1400$ on it because it is a true powerhouse and a work of genius.

    Down to business.
    From the moment I understood what porn was I have never payed for a single picture/movie… its just the way it existed back then. You could stroll onto any free photo/video sample site like thumbzilla and rub one out without breaking a law. Kazaa came out and it was just a natural move and so came other p2p sites. Now I am not going to play ignorant and say I didn’t know it was ‘illegal’ when samples became entire movies but I was also never ‘punished’ in the 15yrs I have been online, looking at porn. Yeah so whats your point then dude…
    lets say you have a job and there is a rule in the books that when you go on smoke breaks you have to clock out as it is a ‘break.’ However your boss also smokes and he says the rule is crap so nobody ever follows the rule. You are cheating the company out of money and you know its not kosher but you do it because its just 10 min and its a stupid rule and your boss lets you. Your boss gets canned and the new guy follows the smoke break rule… everyone in the office hates the new ‘strict’ boss even though THEY KNOW they were in the wrong the entire time… then your boss writes an email praising how ‘he works tirelessly to keep an eye on people breaking the rule still and how he stopped the abuse by himself!’

    1: Can you really blame people for using the loophole?
    –Yes and No. EVERYONE ignored the rule for 15yrs on the job with no repercussions what so ever. Clearly there is fault on both their side ‘pirates as you call them’ and managements side ‘content creator’. 2 wrongs don’t make either party right.

    2: Does the staff ‘thats me and the other pirates’ have the right to despise the new boss ‘thats you’?
    –Certainly! Even more so because you wrote an email praising your own actions which only serves to boost your ego and alienate/piss off your audience.

    3: Should the boss (you) care how his staff responds to his email?
    –Yes, because why else did you create this blog other than to receive praise and/or hate, you can buy a journal and write your thoughts down and nobody has the opportunity to respond… you can even turn comments off. You obviously enjoy some portion of this exchange with people otherwise you are terribly bored.

    So in summation:

    I have been living my life happily beating off to free porn for 15yrs and nobody has slapped my wrist or told me to stop so I will be happily moving onto the next site that isn’t shut down yet. Good luck with your business and the best of luck to the content creators who hire you. To the content creators: I have never and may never pay to see boobies so don’t count me or the millions like me as a loss on your records. I will however encourage you to hire the innovators who are creating these sites so that you might finally get the picture. There is a reason why Netflix and Itunes exist… people don’t really want to deal with back door deals they are just smart enough to realize that Joe Blow was able to create a better UI in his spare time. Do what Facebook does… hire the guy that does your job better for cheaper rather then sue him.

    Seriously if there was a Netflix of porn I would put my first dollar ever spent on porn on a 10yr subscription. If things are done right you remove the need/desire to pirate. Common sense is not common in the business world.

    • Nate Glass says:

      So I don’t disagree with most of what you said, though I don’t have time to address each point one by one. I too wish someone would develop an iTunes/netflix style porn thing because not only would it be hugely successful but maybe it would put me outta business…and isn’t that what you all want? But I’d be more than happy to go back to the job I had previously. I haven’t been unemployed since I was 14 (nearly 21 years ago)…so I have no problem finding good paying work.

      You (and many others) clearly don’t like being called freeloaders, but to those of you I ask…why do you inherently think I am referring to you when I use that term? You commonly retort with “hey I buy stuff, i pay for things i like!”, well then you aren’t a freeloader are you? I would hope we could all agree on disliking those who mooch off the system and contribute nothing back, right? So if you read freeloader and immediately assume I am referring to you, then you might have what we call a guilty conscience. Just throwing that out there.

      Flame on.

      • DrGonzo72 says:

        Good God man, I can see you wavering and breaking down. Making a living is one thing, but denying who you truly are and acting like a jackass to defend it? You should turn your talents into leeching off the Koch Brothers and the Republican uber Right-Wing fanatics as they’ll throw money at anyone who says they hate Obama. Your “clients”, real or fictitious, BENEFIT from file sharing, and you’d be doing them a far better service by going into consulting and telling them how to benefit from it. If you haven’t figured it out, we like and SUPPORT the porn industry. We’re FANS. We share because we love what we share and in the process provide almost infinite free advertising for that which we enjoy. You should be the man who encourages his clients to post their own torrents, give downloaders a sample of what is available on a site for those who buy a membership. I’ve joined many sites over the years based on downloads I’ve acquire, and those whom I’ve introduced to sites have themselves become members. It’s a symbiotic relationship. My God man, go with your heart on this and you’ll make more money as a consultant than you ever would as being a dick filling out forms.

        The lowlifes who copy music and movies, then turn around and sell copies are the real pirates. You know this as well as we do. Be smart and harness the strength of the true FANS of your clients to promote their businesses.

        Come on, Darth Vader, I feel the good in you . . .

  113. suckit says:

    You”l be there waiting? LOL, I already moved on months ago, nice try though.

  114. u saying u was one of the reasons c! was closed, who knows? might be true or u are lying.
    but man, thats awful, because of that i needed to open my bookmarks and choose other porntracker (and that wasnt easy, there is so many of them) so i could dl the stuff i want and in case i didnt find it there/didnt like what i found, i needed to use google. google man, u know how tiring it is? i was one step from grabing my credit card and paying for this stuff (in case, despite ur name, u need better glasses, that was sarcasm)

    one question, from all this shit u talking about ur poor little employers. im guessing u work for adultdoorway too?

  115. I actually am eager to see the day the P2P will disapear (if this day happen). When these days happen I will be free to create my own mafia with the terabytes of warez I have. I will be the al capone of this new era. You americans never learn. You tried prohibition, you tried war on drugs, and everytime you got -censored- BIG time. So please help yourself and make me rich. In China you can get porn warez (japan one, the good stuff) for 2 euros the complete collection. People even pebble then in the street in western country. What ya gonna do biatche? Arret 1 billion chinese? You sir are the arriere-garde of the data age, and in 10 years from now people will laught talking about you…

  116. yet another anonymous coward says:

    Dude, Nate, I’m impressed with your replies. Calm, cool, collected, and moderating through even pretty vile stuff just to rebut individual points.

  117. Johnny says:

    Thanks Nate Glass for protecting those poor corporations. They were suffering so dearly because of those evil everyday people that wanted a peek of some overpaid whores tits without surrendering a weeks’ paycheck.

    Now if you’d be so kind as to go choke and die on some billionaire CEO’s cock since you love them so much. It would be doing the world a great favor.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Dear Johnny,

      Your response to our effort to help copyright holders is overwhelming.

      You have offered so much in the way of support. Your dedication and respect for copyright holders is unprecedented.

      Takedown Piracy would like to thank you for your incredible support.

      Your stunning outpouring has given Takedown Piracy the impetus to keep on keeping on.

      Your invaluable help has made our future work possible and we will do our best in all our future endeavors to live up to your expectations.

      Respectfully,

      Takedown Piracy

      • Johnny says:

        You’re welcome. The average paycheck-to-paycheck guy thanks you so much for leeching his hard earned money and stuffing the overflowing pockets of large corporations who need the money so desperately. Who are those little guys to think they can have an ounce of pleasure in their lives, when a billionaire that hasn’t worked a day in his life is at risk of losing his mansion in Montenegro. I mean, he only has 8 other mansions around the world! Oh, the humanity! Thank you for your great deeds.

        • Jack Benny says:

          Johnny, I share yourdisgust and agree with your logic. Just bear in mind that our good friend Mr. Glass and others like him had NOTHING to do with the demise of the communities we used to frequent. He’s an opportunist who’s merely claiming credit to forward his own business. His incessant filing of empty threats was ignored for YEARS. Nate had as much to do with taking down the file-sharing sites we liked as he does with controlling the weather or how fast the earth orbits the sun (although I’m sure he and his ilk still believe the world to be flat). Don’t fuel him. He invites reactions such as yours because it furthers his own business . . . and he’d look pretty foolish replying to his own replies with smack comments, which he’s doing already. Instead, turn your anger to boycotting him, and those who hire him and encourage your friends to do the same.

          • Nate Glass says:

            Can I just say how much I loved the Jack Benny show as a kid. They used to show it on our local PBS channel. Great stuff. Cool of you to pay tribute to a master.

  118. John Ryan says:

    Yep, it’s over, you win. Since Cheggit went down I’ve been looking furiously for the latest Dogfart scenes on the file locker sites, public trackers, trying to get invites to the latest private tracker and usenet (I’d say you’re worried about that one if it takes off again). I was horny as fuck and have given up and bought a subscription to Dogfart! Fucking $30, I can’t believe it what I’ve done!

  119. Jack Benny says:

    So Dogfart is one of Nate Glass’s clients? Thanks buddy, we’ll be sure to add that site to the list.

  120. Alex says:

    Well, I wish you all have a testicle cancer, motherfuckers.

  121. Jeff says:

    Nate

    I am curious how you view technology like the VCR and the CD/DVD writers. After all, just like the file sharing websites they can be used to make copies available to everyone. But they can be used for legal purposes too. It just so happens I believe in copyright. I make a living from material I produce. And just like Walmart I cannot guarantee there will not be loss due to theft. Every theft is a sell I want, but I know those that take my stuff never had any intention of paying for it. Some people just get up everyday and instead of going to a real job they go out to rob someone of their hard earned piece of the pie. I made my peace with that. My problem with what you are doing is that you are not going after those that break the law, you are going after everyone regardless of whether they used the site legally or illegally. By all means go after the people that broke the law. But when you gloat that you took down an entire site because some of the users, or maybe the majority of its users, were using the technology for illegal purposes I take issue. Thats like saying your clients what you to stop people from speeding and so to do so you start a campaign to shut down the companies providing of new roads. Sure that will stop people from speeding on the roads you shut down. But it also denies people who do not speed the use of the roads.

    Not to mention, to stick with the road analogy, the people who make the roads should not be held accountable for how they are used. But thats what you are doing. Holding those that create the roads accountable for how they are used. Sure it’s so much easier to cast a wide net. The TSA uses the same policy when treating everyone as a suspected terrorist just because they bought a plane ticket in order to catch the real terrorists. The content creators screamed the VCR would destroy the movie industry when it did the opposite. That didn’t mean people still didn’t find a way to use it to steal.

    I will always be against those wishing to take someone’s hard earned work without paying. Sure it costs me nothing when someone copies a file and puts it up on a file sharing site but copyright law is there to protect me from that. Just like the speed limit is there to protect from speeders. Neither of them is 100% effective and never will be. But cops do not pull everyone over to stop speeding and content creators should not be pulling down file sharing sites just because some of its members are using that service illegally. File sharing is not inherently illegal just like the VCR, CD/DVD writer, or cars. But all of them can be used that way.

    As long as your crusade is against file sharing and not those that break copyright law I will be against what you do. Will it make catching those breaking copyright law harder to stop…yes. But protecting the freedom of those that are not breaking the law should be the number 1 priority. After all laws are about protecting freedom of those that didn’t commit crimes, not punishing those that did.

    • Nate Glass says:

      My crusade is not against file sharing. What gives you that idea? I use Drop Box all the time in the course of business. There’s nothing wrong with sharing files…it just depends on what it is you are sharing. If you’re sharing vacation photos, freeware programs, your own music, funny images…anything like that…I could care less. Those are completely legitimate.

      Now, if you’re sharing the content of one of my clients without my clients permission…then that is what I am paid and work hard to minimize. It’s pretty simple. If you’re using file sharing to infringe copyrights, that’s wrong. And the sites we deal with are rampant with copyright infringement. We’ve never punished someone who wasn’t infringing copyrights. If you upload your legal video to a site with 99% illegal videos and that sites eventually gets shut down…that’s not our fault. And if anywhere near the majority of filesharing being done was legit, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.

      We’re all about individual rights…including copyright…which is an individual right too.

      • DARPANet says:

        …then tell your clients to develop/use fast and priceable legit on-demand-alternatives. Everyone happy… Except you – you’d be out of business… :/

        • Nate Glass says:

          Most of my clients are doing things like that. But you are incorrect in assuming that that would make “everyone happy”, since there is a sizable percentage of the users who prefer to engage in commercial copyright infringement of my client’s works, thus stifling innovation of legitimate services who have to compete with criminals who bear no production cost and pay no licensing fees.

          Trust me, I’d be more than happy to go out of business because of a lack of piracy. I bet I yearn for that day more than any of you do.

      • Jeff says:

        What gives me the idea that you are going after file sharing? The fact that your celebrate taking down an entire file sharing site in your post, not that you stop those uploading illegal content. Sure you can say by taking down the site you indirectly have stopped those uploading the illegal content. But we both no that didn’t stop them. They just moved to another site.

        By your logic, you would shut down a resource that people were using if 99% of people were using illegally. What percentage of people in Texas would you say pay use-tax on the purchases they make from online retailers based outside the state? My guess is it will be pretty close to 1%. It is illegal not to pay your taxes. And just because an online retailer doesn’t collect it for you and pay it to the state you live in, doesn’t negate you from paying those taxes. Yet the majority of people do not. Therefore using your logic, the state could shut down the ability of people to buy things online if the company is based outside the state. But I don’t see that happening.

        If 99% of people speed down a portion of a road would you be justified in shutting down the portion road and preventing anyone from using it?

        You are not going after individuals uploading the files. You are going after the technology that allows them to do so. You are blaming the car manufacturers because their cars enable speeding.

        And I have yet to see any file sharing metrics that show illegal file sharing versus legal file sharing. You are basing the idea that the majority of file sharing is illegal because thats what gets noticed. I’m willing to bet the number of files being uploaded illegal are going to not being anymore than those being uploaded legally. But since you do concern yourself with the legal ones I think your perception might be flawed.

        I would be curious to see the stats on illegal files versions the legal ones uploaded.

        I am all about protecting individual rights. But you just trampled on some individual rights to protect some individual rights. And I am not talking about a right to break the law.

        • Nate Glass says:

          Ok…where to start:

          1. According to the site owners, we had nothing to do with the site going down. They claim our actions had nothing to do with their decision to shut the site down. So I guess you should be upset with the site owners for stopping a website that allowed an occasional legal transfer of content. I suggest you take your grievances up with Chip and p2p, clearly they are out to violate your God-given right to use a service that is 99% used for the transfer of copyrighted materials without the creator’s permission. Those assholes.

          2. I love the question…would you shut down a resource if 99% of the people were using it illegally? Ummmm…YES! Yes, abso-fucking-lutely…if a resource is being used by 99% of the people illegally…especially when the OWNERS of that resource knew illegal activity was happening, had notices given to them of the specific illegal activities, had the ability to take action to stop illegal activity, and instead ignored any responsibility and encouraged the illegal activity. Then yes, it gets shut down. This happens all the time. Ignorance is not a defense when you are engaged in wholesale rampant criminal activity. Here’s a shocker – there’s consequences for your actions and INACTIONS….hate to break it to ya. We’ve had over a million torrents removed from DMCA-compliant websites. It’s pretty easy, we ID a torrent to be used in the transfer of copyrighted content, we notify the site, they remove the torrent. Happens all day. But when a site wants to flagrantly break the law and take no action, then they deserve to get shut down. No torrent site is above the law just because they’re a good hookup for copyrighted content.

          3. I’m not paid to regulate inter or intra-state commerce but those businesses negotiate with states all the time. I like how you conflate one issue with another. We’re not talking about public services here, last time I checked my tax dollars weren’t going to pay for Cheggit. We’re talking about a private business that chose to profit from the distribution of works they had no legal authority over. We’re talking about a site that flagrantly ignored the law for years and when they made the decision to become “compliant” found out that they could no longer run their business if they had to be a legitimate business.

          4. Regarding me not going after the uploaders, that’s kinda exactly what I do. Except we don’t like the idea of clogging up the judicial system with court cases. We choose not to engage in costly and timely end-user litigation, which is ironically a tactic decried by your filesharing ilk, however according to you we should be more active in putting uploaders behind bars. I think you’ll find that your filesharing brethren do not share your view, nor do we. If we did that, your filesharing ilk would be wishing even more cancer and AIDS upon me. We use the existing DMCA law and we operate within that. And the sites we routinely monitor all have DMCA policies that we abide by and work within. I’m sorry that you’re butthurt that the site in question IGNORED the law for years and it finally caught up to them. Tough shit, thems the breaks. There’s always barber college. The site in question chose on their own to hire an attorney to receive DMCA notices for them, we responded by sending fully compliant DMCA notices for our clients, the uploaders had the option to dispute the takedowns – yet that never happened, not once. This resulted in scores of popular materials being removed from the site. That’s how this whole process works. Now the site you’re vigorously defending has went as far as to say no one should listen to me because I had nothing to do with their closure and to go even further – one of the co-admins of the site called me a child pornographer, a complete bullshit lie meant to slander me. That’s who you’re defending, a person who, when confronted with his own role in illegal activity, stoops to the level of slander to try and disparage his accusers and deflect blame instead of take responsibility. Nice group of guys you’re buddying up to there.

          5. How are we going against technology? We aren’t shutting down the technology of file transfers? Exactly how do I have the ability to wipe bit torrent, FTP and cloud computing out of existence? I’m not a god Jeff. The technology is amoral, if someone uses technology to break the law then we address that. If you want to share your own shit via bit torrent all day, I could care less, more power to ya! I use drop box and FTP all the time. You want to open your own bit torrent site to share linux distros, be my guest.

          6. Yes, let’s talk about the legal numbers of files on bit torrent shall we?
          http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/only-03-of-files-on-bit-torrent-confirmed-to-be-legal.ars
          http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/01/bittorrent-census-about-99-of-files-copyright-infringing.ars
          http://www.maximumpc.com/article/home/news_flash_bittorrent_serves_illegal_content

          7. Please tell me exactly what individual rights we ‘trampled on’? We’ve sent over 75,000 DMCA notices, we have had 2 counter-claims and both of those ended with us being in the right. So please, explain to me what rights we have trampled upon? Please show me all the innocent people we’ve trampled upon? I’m dying to hear this one. And I love you calling me a rights trampler because I actually enforce real existing rights, rights you don’t seem to mind trampling at all. Pot meet kettle.

  122. KARMA says:

    To all who think copyright is going to chug along like and this continues are sorely mistaken,our modern technology has left you Dinosaur in the dust and this is how you deal with it,where were u when people were making casete copys recording radio stations etc. Oh wait you were charging astronomical prices for maybe 6-7 songs so that little infringement here and there wouldent hurt your gready palms.Well gues what you held on to that business model and now its bitting all you execs in the fucking ass.Look at my name up there ill wait…. get the point, instead of hiding behind layers like little bitches, why don’t record execs come on tv and plead to us peons that his 50 mil house isnt enough I need a bigger one.Last parting words from my life experience is what comes around goes around and no sum of money can stop that.Have a sparkling day.Oh one more thing about DMCA notices,and there is not one argument you can use to defend them that they are legal Extortion notices.

  123. Nate Douchebag Glass says:

    lol

    Nate…you either need a hug or need to get laid

    You will be there waiting? lol…Get a fucking life

    I’m off to download more porn…please don’t be there waiting

  124. KARMA says:

    To that response, trying to find detailed info what costinutes a DMCA violation is just about immposible except untill you recieve one, if you can give me a link on detailed info on how victim….. infringers qualify for letters.

    Also from the few pics I have seen of these they basically say “please takedown X violation” or whatever your customer see’s as one, or pay X amount to us or we take you to court. Last time I checked in the USA everyone is innocent until proven guilty,your company seems to skip these steps.

    • Nate Glass says:

      We sent takedown notices…takedown notices never include any sort of demands for payment. You’re confusing what it is we do, with what is called end-user litigation.

      Innocent until proven guilty is a legal term. Please explain to me how we are skipping those steps?

      We identify an infringement. We send a notice where WE are stating under penalty of perjury that we believe the material in question constitutes an infringement of our clients property. The receiver of that notice has the option to either take down the content, ignore the notice, or file a counter claim. If they believe they have the rights to the materials in question, they can file a counter claim. Out of the 75,000+ notices we have sent, only 2 counter claims have been filed, and in both instances our company was in the right. We take extra steps to have a flawless record when it comes to accurate and correct takedown notices. I can’t speak for every other anti-piracy company out there, we do our job and we do it well and with integrity and honesty.

      Last time I checked, in the USA, you aren’t entitled to another individual’s intellectual property just because you’re selfish, greedy and have an inflated sense of self-entitlement. You and your ilk seem to overlook those things.

  125. KARMA says:

    Ok one my friend I know this is hard to believe but I have never torrented, not one damn thing.I know this may be a stretch but I comment on things like this because once the content industry catches up with modern tech they might start making money again,and your fly by night companys will be done. “We identify an infringement” comment, come on man even the dumbest 15 year old knows how to hop on a open network and go to town with torrents,there are people out there who also know how to crack networks . Not everyone is a dumb stealing freeloader. The ilk comment was funny though.

    • Nate Glass says:

      I didn’t mean to shoot you down all harsh, but claiming I am an extortionist is factually incorrect. We have never asked for nor demanded a penny out of any infringer. That is not our business model. We are a removal company, pure and simple.

      So because you have a problem with the content industry, you feel entitled to paint everyone with this same brush. So according to you every single content producer that exists in the entire world is somehow behind technology. So I guess no one is actually using technology except for your beloved copyright infringers, clearly they are perfect individuals who are just smarter than everyone else.

      Meanwhile, I’m watching 1000s of movies for $10/mth streaming on my iPhone, PS3, across multiple televisions with a DVR and linked to my blu ray digital copies. Yeah, those movie companies are sure a bunch of dummies. If only they were smart enough to just take other people’s hard work and monetize it for themselves…then KARMA would praise how genius they are. You’re enamored with the digital version of a chop-shop. Yeah, the cyber versions of stolen-car entrepreneurs is really a great example of innovation.

      Nice try to make this imaginary villain (the dumb content industry) that you can use as some sort of twisted justification for bootleggers in the Ukraine to sell knock-off CD-r’s of software. Nice try, but FAIL.

  126. Addiction Counselor says:

    If guys could masturbate more often, less women would get raped or murdered. This is a fact. Look it up.

    I’d like to say, why do terrorists believe they’ll get a bunch a virgins if they die blowing up infidels? (besides brainwashing) If they new it was wasn’t true, they’d just download some porn and no longer care about it.

    • Addiction Counselor says:

      And it’s great that you, Nate, have been blessed with monetary bliss to be able to afford all your great tech gadgets. There’s a whole lot of people that can’t afford $10/mo. for food let alone Netflix. -Which I have! ;-) So I get your point. Do you get mine? Oh, and about the porn…never mind.

      • Nate Glass says:

        So if you can’t afford $10/mth for food and you’re wasting your time uploading copyrighted porn to a torrent site? I think your priorities might be askew.

        I understand that there is great and unfortunate poverty in this world. I also understand that people are starving to death every day, I don’t think those people really feel like a few self-entitled brats who want free pirated porn are really experiencing the same level of poverty. If you have a computer and internet you’re already better off then millions of people who die from starvation every year. I don’t really feel sorry for the plight of a porn uploader whose torrents I had removed. You’re not suffering.

    • Nate Glass says:

      Absolutely nothing stopping guys from masturbating as often as they want except for their own personal control and societal norms. There’s a ridiculous amount of free porn out there, much of it completely put there by the copyright owners. I don’t subscribe to the crazy notion that we have to let rampant copyright infringement occur so that guys don’t turn into homicidal maniacs raping and murdering everything with 2 (or four?) legs.

      Jack off to the Sears Catalog if you don’t wanna pay. Jack off to free sponsored content if ya can. Otherwise pay for your entertainment just like everyone else. If you have to have pirated porn to get off to otherwise you’ll turn into a rapist, then I think you need to check yourself into a hospital and get help.

      Seriously, get help.

  127. Addiction Counselor says:

    I wasn’t talking about myself. I have money. I meant that other people cannot control themselves (brain disorders) and will actually go out to rape when they cannot get enough porn. It’s a sickening thought however. You should seek a psychiatrists opinion when you get a chance to see from an experienced point of view about the direct link between porn/masturbation and dissuading rape instances rather than being such a blatant hater of information. (I didn’t think you were but your response to me is justifiably descriptive for yourself)

    Lastly, you are clueless to rape victims and such related crimes in general. You can’t tell me that you are 100% positive that some guys that masturbate to porn (REAL porn not lame 10sec clips on free sites) won’t find rape an alternative when they can’t get OR afford the porn they need for the release that is required to quell the inner demons that resides in a lot more people than you could ever feel safe (for yourself or family) to talk about let alone to walk the streets at night? Start subscribing, hater! It happens!

    Gods speed!

    • Nate Glass says:

      I never said that people who consume porn are less likely to commit instances of rape. I believe the statistics are absolutely in support of your position.

      I think what you are not understanding is my position. What I’m saying is that I don’t think we have to allow rampant copyright infringement to occur by completely healthy people just because a much smaller minority needs porn (any porn) to keep themselves under control.

      I can’t believe you’re saying that rampant copyright infringement has to occur just so that we aren’t all raped by ravenous madmen. Please tell me you don’t actually believe that.

      You actually think society has to allow lawlessness to ensure peace? Interesting.

  128. KARMA says:

    Dood I am not defending anyone, sorry btw I did come off angry in the first post, but the fact of matter is things need to change, running around closing websites won’t solve a damn thing. And linux is all I need to say about giving people something free and if they like it they will support/donate for a good product.

    • Nate Glass says:

      We didn’t set out to necessarily close a website. The simple fact is that the website in question was using our clients’ content without permission. They made money off our clients works and gave absolutely nothing back. It’s not my fault that once this website was deprived of terabytes of copyrighted content that they could no longer operate. Tough shit. If I ran a pawn shop with nothing but stolen goods, I knew they were stolen goods and I did nothing but profit and encourage the theft of goods, I would deserve to get shut down. Thems the breaks.

      Let me ask you this about Linux, WHO decided it would be free? Think about that and then re-think your “that’s all I gotta say” simplification. Maybe you don’t mind the majority telling you what you HAVE to do with your property, maybe you want to be at the mercy of a majority who can take your property without your consent and tell you what you have to do with your own property. Maybe that’s your idea of Utopia…being told what to do by others.

      It’s not my idea of a free society when you have tyranny of the majority. Might want to be careful espousing a tyranny of the majority way of thinking, one day you might find yourself in the minority on an issue and you’ll have no recourse since you are more than happy to turn over your rights to the majority.

      Plenty of free porn content out there, which those who produced it have chosen to give away for free. The difference between that and piracy is that the ultimate decision whether to give something away for free or not rests with the person who created it…not a bunch of parasitic site owners who want to line their pockets with other people’s creations.

  129. Addiction Counselor says:

    ["You actually think society has to allow lawlessness to ensure peace? Interesting."]

    Absolute control IS absolute chaos.
    Look at what you’ve started here. Look at the riots around the world when Government is trying to control the people. Prohibition anyone? A bear caged for 15 years won’t be happy when you finally let him out (if).

    YES! There has to be *some* lawlessness to ensure peace. Of course! Even the Holy Bible tells of these tales! And I’m an Atheist!

    YOU actually DON’T think society has to allow lawlessness to ensure peace? Interesting! This is why cops don’t legally get to shoot first and ask questions later. It’s when they DO you hear about it on the news. Are you like, 21 years old with no life experience, Nate? No matter, you REALLY sound like it in your responses.

    • Nate Glass says:

      You need to look up the word ‘nuance’…or at least stop dealing in absolutes.

      So according to you, either we have complete anarchy so that we have peace, or we have absolute control which you say results in absolute chaos.

      What color is the sky in your world? Is it either 0 degrees or 100 degrees every day? Do you actually understand that there is a middle ground between lawlessness and dictatorships? Or are you so naive and easily manipulated by freeloaders that you think any attempt to enforce copyright is dictatorship?

      Seriously man, I can’t even debate with you. You’re basically saying that we absolutely have to have rampant copyright infringement in order to ensure peace…I’m sorry but that’s a pretty illogical and irrational idea. I have to wonder what world it is you live in?

  130. Addiction Counselor says:

    ["They made money off our clients works and gave absolutely nothing back."]

    Oh, I read up on the Cheggit (the only torrent site still up that I know of) site and it appears that they never “MADE” money or profit. It was a free site. So, I think it’s fair to say they never SOLD illegal wares/warez.

    Anyone pay for it? Speak up! I can’t hear you! Anyone? Anyone…Bueller?

  131. Addiction Counselor says:

    Nuance; slight difference, subtle. Not quite what you’re trying to say I’m sure.

    Debate? I don’t call it that. That’s for professionals. I’ve enjoyed our rhetoric though.

    Oh and your, “It’s not my idea of a free society when you have tyranny of the majority.” — It’s called Democracy. For the genuine lack of a better word. Or was it Capitalism..hmmm. Same diff.

    Your informative link is the same for any other site that you can buy ad space for. Sheesh- sooo boring!

    Now I’m bored and will go back to downloading porn. Yaaaaaaay TORRENT!!!
    Okay, that was sarcasm. I’m really going to go back to my mansion in the hills of Monrovia, CA and enjoy my midnight swim. Yay Capitalism!

    Long live the bits that come together to give us free porn!

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand done!

  132. KARMA says:

    Had to hit the hay so i’ll try to continue our debate today, a little bit busy trying to find a job that the tyranny of the corparation took from me when they decided to throw all common sense out the window for greed, so I don’t even want to touch that subject any further.Now I have a few questions for you if you don’t mind me asking.One in your company are you on the business side or tech. side ? and two do you really believe running around the web because some BLOG owner or whatever has say a paragraph of news that they linked to or used in no way to make money.The NY Times is the perfect example, behind a paywall,a freaking paywall for news and I know they go after small to big websites with DMCA notices, that’s a scary road.

    We can go back and forth till the end of time with good and bad points,but I am reading your responses and putting some thought into what you are saying, you seem to put everyone in the same boat who disagrees with you and paint them as a pirate that doesnt care about paying for anything and is scum.

    And to comment on the Linux statement,what do you think about company’s who give 30 day trials fror a game, program whatever and if they like it the there wallets will open to buy your product ? no majorty there my friend.

    • Nate Glass says:

      I don’t have a problem at all with news outlets putting their content behind a paywall. Is their business being paid for with tax money or is it a private business? There’s so many scraper aggregators out there that poach content, I don’t blame them at all for putting their news behind a paywall. They are private companies who financed the reporting. You’d say less people will read them and I wouldn’t disagree with that, nor would they. If you want free news, there’s plenty out there to read. If you feel their content is worth paying for, then you pay for it.

      But I don’t know that the NYTimes is even behind a paywall, since I just read 3 or 4 articles on their site. I think you may be confusing them with someone else. You’re probably thinking of the douchebags at Righthaven, who were handed their ass in court. The part that will blow your mind is that the attorney who destroyed them – is an intellectual property attorney and a damn good one at that.

      I don’t know that our company is necessarily on a business or tech side, or that one even has to choose a side. We use tech to run our business. We appreciate technology, use it every day, and we love business. I don’t think you have to be either/or.

      I think companies giving trials is great. Those companies decided to do it because they own the content and thus can make that decision. No one else should force a company to distribute it’s property in a way contrary to their wishes. The point I was trying to make was that Linux decided to make their product free, it wasn’t decided for them. And it wouldn’t make a difference, people would pirate it regardless. I’ve yet to see a single example of pirates not pirating something because someone had a good business model. No matter how much your business model is in-line with the blueprint pirates espouse, the product is still pirated. So the whole “if only the MPAA would do this then people wouldn’t pirate” is moot. The object is lessen the incentive to pirate by providing a good product, at a good price with good usability and to protect that product in the marketplace. It’s really pretty cut and dry.

  133. Lawl says:

    Meh. Let Asshat Nate troll websites for his masters. Soon he will be out of a job as piracy is like a hydra, and the legacy companies refuse to adapt their business models. In the meantime though, wouldn’t it be fun to spam his “report piracy here” interface? Don’t worry about IP tracking, just use a proxy. Cheers!

  134. Less piracy, more pornography? says:

    don’t you think that if closing down pirate porn trackers brings more revenue to the porn biz, more porn will be produced and more women will be pulled into the industry?

    what exactly are you fighting here for?

    • Nate Glass says:

      This is the craziest argument ever.

      So by your weird logic, if more people had jobs then they’d have more money to spend on porn, wouldn’t that draw more people into the business as well. And is that a bad thing? What’s wrong with people using their bodies however they want to make a living? And please don’t spout some crazy right-wing made up theory about how girls are doing porn against their will.

  135. Porn says:

    You’re an asshole ! You stole my porn ! Give it back !

  136. joshua fulsom says:

    Nate-1
    Everyone Else-100

  137. Old Soul says:

    Well, we pirates got slapped :D Try not to get this personally, guy is just doing his job. Try to see things his way. I’m working in a shipyard, I’m sure there’s a loads of environmentalists that are pissed because I do what I do. We are all just pawns in a game of life. Now, instead of throwing an hour daily on cheggit, I can use this newly given time to do something more constructive, climb upon my wife and do some real porn for example ;)

    Keep on doing your job Mr. Nate, maybe our views and opinions don’t coincide but You surely affected my life, it’s up to me to make some good of it :D (and pardon my French, English is not my native language :))

    • Nate Glass says:

      I’m glad you have more time to spend with your wife, that’s definitely a good thing. And what a boring world it would be if everyone shared the same views, it’s great that we can disagree and do it in a civil manner.

      Your English is good, certainly way better than my French that’s for sure.

  138. Dave Mitchell says:

    Nate I’ll bite.

    I’ve previously bought memberships at realitykings,brazzers,videoz,naughty america, nda, etc…

    And all of these sites have SUCKED.

    Terrible download speeds, horrible selection, crappy quality, terrible plug-ins.

    So where should I buy my porn.

    I’m willing to spend $99 a month.

    Which of your customers wants my money?

    Oh yea…and I have 10,000 Gigs of porn already downloaded…but I want new stuff/new girls.

  139. Karma says:

    I must be one of the lucky one’s and have a wife a who love’s porn,so we watch together LEGAL stuff, so I get to have my cake and eat it too. Sorry to rub it in lol.

    And to nate take a read.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/new-york-times-launches-p_n_837053.html

  140. Rand says:

    Thank god for usenet, not only do we get everything much more quickly than any torrent website or DDL website, with a much more massive collection of content, but we also fund its expansion. Good luck with the big boys nate.

  141. evilangel.com huh? thats according to u small biz? u r bs.

  142. Anon says:

    I’ve never met a pirate who wants to rip off authors and creators. They’re all mad at the publishers, the record labels, the movie studios — the middle-man entities that generally squeeze creators for all they’re worth and treat their customers like criminals (e.g., by using DRM and by suing individual downloaders for ridiculous and unsubstantiated damages). That pisses people off. It’s like the Streisand Effect. It’s like prohibition. It’s just not a good way to do business.

    Copyright terms should definitely be shortened, but that doesn’t fix the problem. The content industries need to respect artists and customers, and give them what they want for a reasonable price, on a reasonable timeline (e.g., if I live in Europe I don’t want to endure months of online chatter about how good The Avengers was before I have the opportunity to see it legally in theaters due to Hollywood’s “release window” strategy). Until they do that, you can shut down 1,000 Cheggits, but piracy will only increase.

  143. Anonymous says:

    You’re just yet another opportunist American profiting from legal abuse.

    Expect us.

  144. ButteredStuff says:

    I love all of these “pirate”sites getting shut down suddenly, its hilarious that this dude thinks hes some kind of hero. Piracy should be the least of our governments worries considering the economic turmoil we are in. I for one uploaded all of my bands music to torrent sites because A) I owned it and B) it helped get our music to more people. its not like bands get much money from record sales anyway, about 98% goes to the label.

    I get it though, the economy is in the shitter and this gig probably pays you pretty well, so good job, way to sell out.

  145. Is This Guy For Real???? says:

    Is this Nate Glass guy for real? He spouts on about how he wants the “pirates” to “share” their money with him (I understand it was a facetious comment to try and make himself look clever and not an actual desire to share money btw).. and somehow defends the tactics used by most major media publishers of trying to force people into paying more than once for the same material (as with directors cuts.. extended editions.. special edition CD’s with bonus tracks etc etc). In effect meaning that we ARE expected to pay for everything as we have always been. Oh.. and by the way.. if you “share” your dinner but expect the other person to pay for it, then YOU would be the freeloader.. if you provide a full dinner and expect them to pay.. then you are a business. Neither analogy fits even remotely with the point under discussion at the time.

    So Nate, can you explain why you have what looks like quite a popular page.. fighting what is unarguably a good cause ( I speak of course of the cause of making popular media accessible and affordable enough that piracy is no longer necessary or worthwhile).. and yet you behave on here like a cross between a forum moderator who thinks he’s God.. and some child in a playground sticking his tongue out at people.

    Some of your comments come across as purely childish.. others as either extremely ill-informed, or deliberately ignorant of the status quo. This unfortunately has the effect of hiding the few solid points you HAVE made among a ridiculously long page of you playing tit-for-tat with people that you yourself class as Freeloaders, Thieves, Trolls and Thugs (Someone should get Weird Al to do a parody of Gypsies tramps and thieves to that one btw).. does this make you look any better than these people you purport to look down on from your ivory tower?? or does it merely drag you down to their level?

    And one other point that you seem blissfully ignorant of (and if ignorance is bliss then you must be one VERY happy bunny based on the drivel you’ve spouted here).. is that despite your claims about the small up and coming artists struggling to be heard and make a living.. they aren’t the ones who are pirated.. in fact.. most pirates would be much happier paying £20 to see a good local band.. and another £5 on a promotional CD.. than they would be paying £25 for a blu-ray of avatar or whatever blockbuster.. the reason?? because they know that the £25 they give to the band will actually make a difference to the band.. whereas the £25 for the blu-ray.. will help to fund some executives holiday or private jet fuel etc..

    And one final point about that scenario my friend.. is that as several people have mentioned.. that band wouldn’t care if they ended up on some torrent tracking site.. in fact.. many would deliberately put themselves on it.. because for those bands.. it’s still about making music and being heard.. and not yet about whether they can squeeze an extra dollar from each customer so that they can afford that villa in martha’s vineyard this year.

    And I’ll tell you what the craziest argument ever is… YOUR argument that people may use their bodies to make a living however they wish.. and yet you stomp on the rights of anyone to use their bodies.. their minds.. and their internet connections to make a living from piracy.. you condone prostitution (receiving money in exchange for the performance of sexual activities) and yet at the same time you slate piracy (which is actually digital counterfeiting and not a transfer of ownership as the word “pirate” and all it’s derivatives actually means). Which is really doing more harm to individual people.. and to society at large? I think you know the answer.. and for you to sit here and claim that your actions are for the good of the internet and it’s users as a whole.. at the same time as you wax rhetorical about the porn industry.. is at best hypocritical.. and at worst just downright idiotic.

    As one site closes, another will open.. and those who need a fix of porn or anything else will find somewhere to get it I’m sure… and one day Nate.. piracy law will change significantly.. for there is a premise in EVERY major legal system supporting the “moral majority”. i.e. if 50.1% of people in any given demographic consider an action acceptable, justifiable and expected in any given situation, then no law can be considered to be broken. One day, somebody is going to mount a case on that. And when that case is won.. and all entertainment media is considered to be public domain.. two things will happen. 1… the film and music companies will suddenly find that they ARE able to offer their media online at a sensible price that people are actually willing to pay.. and 2… you will realise that your entire life up to that point was one big waste of time..

    So my closing advice to you Nate.. is to go out… get laid.. and stop wasting your life trying to spoil other peoples fun.. because one thing life should teach you.. is that the more time you spend trying to prevent others from enjoying life.. the more of your own you’re wasting being a little snitch.

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    • Nate Glass says:

      there is a premise in EVERY major legal system supporting the “moral majority”. i.e. if 50.1% of people in any given demographic consider an action acceptable, justifiable and expected in any given situation, then no law can be considered to be broken.

      So you would have been a fan of slavery?

      You would have been a fan of denying women the right to vote?

      You would be a fan of totalitarian regimes in closed-off countries like North Korea?

      Look up “tyranny of the majority” dude. Just because 50.1% of something think it should be law doesn’t mean you get to strip the 49.9% of the dissenters of their rights. Since your side likes to trumpet this as a Freedom Of Speech issue, you should realize that those who actually need FOS protection are almost ALWAYS in the minority. That’s why you need FOS, not to protect the majority, but to protect the minority. However in your world, majority rules. So screw individual rights eh?

  146. Is This Guy For Real???? says:

    One last thing Nate.. you obviously have a lot of time on your hands.. and you’re a very passionate person.. why not.. instead of spending all those hours chasing round the internet looking for people who are just horny and want to watch two.. three.. or more adults having sex to help them get their rocks off.. how about you spend that considerable amount of spare time.. and focussing that passion on nailing the coffins shut on those who peddle kiddie porn.. I don’t think you’d hear a single word of hate if this page was bragging about how you’d helped to smash a major peado outfit etc.. get your priorities straight… Mary Whitehouse would have been a much more popular person if she had fought for the rights of children to live lives free from abuse.. rather than slating adults for enjoying a bit of sauciness on TV.

    • Nate Glass says:

      I spend my time defending the rights of creators and artists. And you should know by now that the advent (and legal protections) for “User Generated Content” have basically exploded the amount of underage porn available. So if you’re wanting to put an end to child pornography (and I’m right there with you), then you should look at the amount of CP on your beloved torrent sites and filesharing sites not to mention those tube sites full of webcam CP. You ready to partner with me to stomp out CP masquerading as ‘user generated content’?

  147. iPirate says:

    Wow, you must feel so good for yourself huh?

    Why don’t you fight against the assholes who get rich off of acting in these horrible movies that are out these days and just do a bunch of drugs? Or just drink their life away.

    Instead, you decide to WASTE your TIME and MONEY to “take down” websites and act like you’re high class shit, and your comments are not only childish but fucking irresponsible.

    A lot of bands out their ASK people to download their shit for free, no i’m not talking about local bands, i’m talking about bands like Slipknot, Korn, Foo fighters. Fuck maybe the up tight justin beiber shit you listen to while you’re “taking down” pirate sites. You’re the biggest embarresment that has come to the internet since 2 girls 1 cup, if not you’re even worse then that, do you know what that is? you know, just because it’s not a big company that makes the film, everyone SHARES it and has a good time, i work every day, take care of my wife and kid and have a good life. You’re an up tight prick that probably never got laid in school or you let the only one that you ever loved run away because you’re such a fucking pig. So you decided to join all the other dogs and go against piracy? Why don’t you do something that has some fucking meaning to it.
    Something that will benefit others and not rich pricks.

    While you’re at it, if you decide to reply. WHY NOT GIVE SOMEONE A REAL FUCKING ANSWER!?

    • Nate Glass says:

      I’m sorry…all I heard from you is “movies are horrible…..and THAT is why I am entitled to get them all for free!”

      If someone wants to drink their life away, I would say that they should have the individual liberty to do so…perhaps you are championing government intrusion into your life to legislate morality. Funny position to take, but if that’s the world you want, so be it.

      If bands want to give away their music, more power to them. That’s their decision to make. They created it, they can give it away, charge out the ass, or never let a single individual ever hear it. Because they created it, thus they get to make that decision. What I don’t support is other people making that decision for them. “I want you to give away your music so you have to do it.”…that’s bullshit.

      You seem to want to write a very scathing biography of me. Let me know when you’re done, I’m dying to have a complete stranger write a story of my life. Great read bro.

      “you’re probably…you’re probably”….lame.

  148. bob dole says:

    there will always be another way us retards choke on a donkey dick.

  149. whatever dude... says:

    I like how you don’t post any of my arguments against your stupid positions. What a fucking joke you are. You are as arrogant as the assholes who think everything should be free! Fuck you and anyone like you.

  150. Anon says:

    That’s why we can’t have nice things.
    Nate, get aids.

  151. It’s too late to stop piracy… They can try, anyway. Who cares? Just do your part, and support p2p sharing in your country. Vote, go out to the street to complain, keep using websites. They’re a couple of raindrops trying to drown the ocean, it’s all good

  152. Gyr says:

    Once a long time ago people used the radio. If they liked a song and recorded it on a tape. It was not considered illegal. But now that you can monitor downloads on a different form on device, it is considered illegal. Interesting.
    A movie or show that is recorded off my TV, from my cable company, using a VCR was never considered illegal. But now if I download the same exact shows, while paying for cable, it is considered illegal. Basically it is the device you consider illegal. Not the content of the material. No one is going to sue you for recording your TV show on VCR or taping a song on a tape but if you download it then it becomes illegal. I can’t say I support your views. Just like I don’t believe it is my right to tell a RAPE victim that she can’t have an abortion. But hey, in this country we put people in jail for petty crimes like smoking an illegal substance. But let a man run for president that stole 320 million dollars with his investment firm. You sir, are a true patriot. I am a medically retired former US Army soldier, but you are the true warrior here.

  153. Keith says:

    I was (hypothetically) sued for downloading porn. The entire experience was very unpleasant. However, what struck me the most was that the attorney representing the porn company had basically been hired to create hundreds (thousands?) of settlements at ~$3000 a pop. Now, I know that you’re touting what you do as something different and better, but you’re working for the same type of people that enjoy shaking down folks to the tune THOUSANDS…all for what I’m sure was a 15 minute dragnet operation. I know that at least 20 people in my area were all nailed for the same file during the same time period.

    Please, tell me where I can sign up to help these poor, helpless porn scumbags? We all know that people get into porn because they hate making lots of money……and to think that people are wasting their time worrying about places like Darfur!

    A final thought: What do think your numerous and often childish replies to these posts (many obviously teenagers) will make potential clients think of you?

  154. Well it seems like you are some kind of really weird asshole …

    A caped crusader fighting evil villains ? What the fuck ? there is something wrong with you if this is what you waste your time on, why don’t you re-dedicate your time to an issue that really affects people ?

    Like stopping illegal immigration for example , Illegal Aliens Rape and kill 100′s to Thousands of our children each year….

    instead you worry about whether someone got a free copy of “debbie does dallas”

    all I can say to that is LAME

    does something worthwhile to brag about like stopping wet backs from raping out children

    In January A Wetback Raped a one month old child to death -

    authorities arrived, it became clear that this was no accident. They discovered the infant girl dead, with two black eyes, a bite mark on her cheek and pajamas soaked in blood.

    Upon further medical examination, the child was also found to have suffered a bleeding brain, a lacerated liver, anal and vaginal tearing, and cracked ribs in various stages of healing—indicating the child’s entire 4 week life consisted of abuse. The cause of death was determined to be fatal sexual assault.

    tell me again how many copies of Buttman 10 you stopped people from getting ?

    geez LAME-O_LOZER get a life do something worthwhile

  155. Angry Alien says:

    after doing some random web browsing today i got to this post and i cannot believe this stupid fuck had to do something about the death of the cheggit website, i gotta say that this young dude with his childish comments are nothing compared to the piracy community, there’s popular websites that will always be remembered (always), but we all know those websites were big cause of the community and maybe the staff, we should not worry about stupid fucks like the ones on this website, there’s only them and there’s lots of private community’s and new public sites or trackers that can give you all the electronic data needed and for all your needs, also its a good idea to learn more to be ahead of nasty people like the ones on takedownpiracy.com
    the only problem that humanity has its ignorance, thats why stupid crap happens, and i hope nasty stupid crap happens soon to this wannabe security staff
    i apologize for my bad english, this is not my first language, keep ya head up yall and share, if you have something to share or say bring it on
    [email protected]

  156. Colin says:

    Free porn, free music, free movies are alive and well. Ain’t much you can do about that, Nate. The anti-piracy crowd lost a long time ago.

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